ATTNER: 'Skins still throwing money away

[BrunellFan]

Wow Attner, dont hurt yourself getting on the bandwagon...

[CowboysUK]

Profootballtalk editor Mike Florio

POSTED 2:21 p.m. EST, March 5, 2004

'SKINS CRITICIZED (AGAIN) FOR TURD HAUL

League insiders are engaged in their annual buzz-fest regarding the early free-agent signings made by the Redskins.

Per one source, owner Dan Snyder is "playing the system like fantasy football again, overpaying and not caring about character."

The source describes defensive end Phillip Daniels and cornerback Shawn Springs as "two turds in the locker room. They'll have [coach Joe] Gibbs wishing he was playing with a lube gun again by November."

Though no one ever will accuse us for being shills for the 'Skins, we're intrigued by the question of whether Gibbs will be able to polish these and other turds. Gibbs won in the 1980s with guys like Dexter Manley on the roster, and our guess is that John Riggins had his moments, too.

Our biggest concern for Gibbs isn't any of the new signings, but veteran linebacker LaVar Arrington. If he sets a negative tone as a result of his belief that the 'Skins shorted him by $6.5 million in his new contract, it'll be hard to get everyone on the same page.

For the same reason that the Redskins gave new running back Clinton Portis a contract extension when they didn't have to, the 'Skins need to get Arrington happy quickly -- or get rid of him.

[EEich]

Yup... it appears that the Cowboys are happy playing with last year's turds.

[skinsguy]

I sense alot of fear from Cowboys fans.

[EEich]

I think Cowboy trolls should get a special avatar:

[skinsguy]

ROTFL!!!!!!! Good one EEIch!!!

[Spearhead]

hahaha
When cowboys fans start posting anti-skins articles we must be doing something right
You can smell the fear.

Anyone who thinks this Arrington $ is going to affect the team at all is living in Dallas and day-dreaming

and the contract that Wash "didn't have to" sign Portis to? gimme a break. The guy deserved to get paid and the skins are locking up the best RB not currently under federal indictment in the entire league.

this is going to be too fun

[skins009]

I must be one of the few guys who thinks this is one of the worst off seasons ever. First off we gave away a high second round pick for portis when we really should have been getting a second round pick from Denver. Then we overpayed big time for him when we had all the leverage. Then Brunnel,we REALLY overpaid for a guy who is going downhill. I wouldn't have minded signing him. But not for that kind of money. Then the Shawn Springs signing, let me let all you guys on a little secret. Springs SUCKS, and we gave him 10 mill. up front. THere is a reason that Seatle drafted Marcus Trufant last year when they had huge holes on the d-line. And do you guys think we had solved are d-line problems by solving C. Griffen. There's a nother very average player. Terrible offseason. Gibbs is gonna need a GM.

[Gmanc711]

Yeah, I think its just you. Its hard to argue about us giving a second rounder away, but we defintley shouldnt have gotten one for Champ. Dont even tell me the " great CB is harder to find than great RB " comment, because Cornerbacks have about 1/24th the impact on a overall season as Running backs do. In word to his contract, we have him locked up, and happy, and the contract is proboly backloaded so we can just restructure in a few years, if he dosent wanna restructure then screw him get the scissors. We need to win now. As far as that Brunell Contract, that money will never even see Brunell, hes got three years left in him then hes going to go, the only reason he got that much $ was because its spread out over all that time, and it looks like alot more than it really is. Shawn Springs sucks? How do you know? When healthy he is awsome, and there was a reason they drafted Trufant last year... because you need two corner backs on the feild, not one. Finally, Griffen is not just a " Average " player, I'm not saying hes a unbelivable player or anything, but hes a hell of a upgrade from what we have, as is Daniels. I, too, dont think our Dline work can be done, but I think its a good start. In addition, we have resigned some of hte key guys to our special teams unit, Lennie Friedman who may prove to be vital to our Oline, like last year, Kevin Mitchell who might make a run at a starting position, and we have a new punter in Tupa, and a upgraded LB in Marcus Washington. If that sucks, I dont know whats good.

[Beemnseven]

Actually Gman, it's not just him...

Originally Posted by skins009

I must be one of the few guys who thinks this is one of the worst off seasons ever. First off we gave away a high second round pick for portis when we really should have been getting a second round pick from Denver. Then we overpayed big time for him when we had all the leverage. Then Brunnel,we REALLY overpaid for a guy who is going downhill. I wouldn't have minded signing him. But not for that kind of money. Then the Shawn Springs signing, let me let all you guys on a little secret. Springs SUCKS, and we gave him 10 mill. up front. THere is a reason that Seatle drafted Marcus Trufant last year when they had huge holes on the d-line. And do you guys think we had solved are d-line problems by solving C. Griffen. There's a nother very average player. Terrible offseason. Gibbs is gonna need a GM.

I hate to say it, Skins009, but sometimes, I think you may be exactly right. If there were no salary cap, I'd say hell yes to Brunell. But the contract he got is more than I would have paid for someone approaching the twilight of his career. I can't really say I agree with his lack of mobility and leadership presence as a QB. I don't watch much Jaguars football. I'd have to pay attention them the way I pay attention to the Skins to generate an informed position. Still, we needed a quality veteran QB, and it looks like we may have one. Buy a hefty contract plus a 3rd rounder might have been a little much.

I will NEVER, EVER understand why we had to give up a second rounder IN ADDITION to Champ Bailey for Portis. Straight up would have been a little better, but really, knowing how Bailey is the corner that he is, we should have gotten a draft pick plus Portis. I'd really like to know if Denver was insistent on that issue, or if Danny and Vinny were reckless about it, and added the 2nd rounder without even facing a demand for it. You know, kind of like Shanahan getting a call from Vinny and Danny that went something like this:

Snyder and Cerrato -- "Mike, this is Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder. Listen, we're real interested in Clinton Portis -- how about entertaining Champ Bailey for a visit so maybe we can work out some sort of deal?"

Shanahan -- "Hmm, that sounds interesting, let me talk Mr. Bowlen about..."

Snyder and Cerrato (interrupting) -- "We'll throw in a second rounder for him!"

Shanahan -- "Uhh, sure! Wow, I wasn't expecting that! Send Champ on over! In fact, WE"LL book the flight for him!"

If that's the way the conversation went, then Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum are indeed running the show, and running it into the ground I might add.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CowboysUK

Profootballtalk editor Mike Florio

POSTED 2:21 p.m. EST, March 5, 2004

'SKINS CRITICIZED (AGAIN) FOR TURD HAUL

League insiders are engaged in their annual buzz-fest regarding the early free-agent signings made by the Redskins.

Per one source, owner Dan Snyder is "playing the system like fantasy football again, overpaying and not caring about character."

The source describes defensive end Phillip Daniels and cornerback Shawn Springs as "two turds in the locker room. They'll have [coach Joe] Gibbs wishing he was playing with a lube gun again by November."

Though no one ever will accuse us for being shills for the 'Skins, we're intrigued by the question of whether Gibbs will be able to polish these and other turds. Gibbs won in the 1980s with guys like Dexter Manley on the roster, and our guess is that John Riggins had his moments, too.

Our biggest concern for Gibbs isn't any of the new signings, but veteran linebacker LaVar Arrington. If he sets a negative tone as a result of his belief that the 'Skins shorted him by $6.5 million in his new contract, it'll be hard to get everyone on the same page.

For the same reason that the Redskins gave new running back Clinton Portis a contract extension when they didn't have to, the 'Skins need to get Arrington happy quickly -- or get rid of him.

I would like to propose a rule that states nothing from pro football talk will ever be posted on this site again. I mean c'mon, their site is retarded. A source describes Daniels and Springs as two turds in the locker room?? That's a joke, who is going to say that? These are completely made up "sources", their site is a joke.

[skinsguy]

Oh man, I just went to that site. What a joke is right! That's probably one of the most unprofessional sites I have ever seen. That site has to be ran by a couple of high schoolers.

I'd rather read commentaries by Len Pasquarelli on the Redskins than that garbage.