Jason Campbell Mistake?

offiss · 08-06-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ramsey isn't even a lock to make the Jets as the #2. Sounds like that deal may blow up in the Jets' face, not ours.

Fiedler is a proven vet in this league, alot more than you can say for Ramsey at this point.

Proven loser!

Ramsey can move a team far better than Fiedler could ever dream.

How does a 6th round pick for a young veteran QB ever blow up in your face?

It's to early to judge any QB on our staff, but not to early to judge Ramsey? The Jet coaches obviously saw something they liked or they wouldn't have extended his contract.

How do you feel about all the talk of thier rookie Clemons starting at QB? To bad Campbell hasen't been able to raise that type of controversy.

MTK · 08-06-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Proven loser!

Ramsey can move a team far better than Fiedler could ever dream.

How does a 6th round pick for a young veteran QB ever blow up in your face?

It's to early to judge any QB on our staff, but not to early to judge Ramsey? The Jet coaches obviously saw something they liked or they wouldn't have extended his contract.

How do you feel about all the talk of thier rookie Clemons starting at QB? To bad Campbell hasen't been able to raise that type of controversy.

Proven loser? Really? How do you figure Ramsey with a career W/L of 10-14 is a more proven guy than Fielder with a career W/L of 37-23??

If anyone is the loser here, it's clearly Ramsey.

As for Clemons, what sort of competition is he even facing? A rag armed Pennington? A horribly inconsistent Ramsey? Give me a break, if Clemons can't at least lock up the #2 job there he doesn't belong in this league. Campbell is trying to beat out a QB coming off a very good season in which he led his team to the playoffs. Big difference.

Ramsey received a one year extension, not exactly a huge sign of any confidence the team has in him. He can still be easily cut before this season.

steveo395 · 08-06-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Proven loser? Really? How do you figure Ramsey with a career W/L of 10-14 is a more proven guy than Fielder with a career W/L of 37-23??

If anyone is the loser here, it's clearly Ramsey.

As for Clemons, what sort of competition is he even facing? A rag armed Pennington? A horribly inconsistent Ramsey? Give me a break, if Clemons can't at least lock up the #2 job there he doesn't belong in this league. Campbell is trying to beat out a QB coming off a very good season in which he led his team to the playoffs. Big difference.

Ramsey received a one year extension, not exactly a huge sign of any confidence the team has in him. He can still be easily cut before this season.

fiedler was always on a way better team with a great defense to win the games in miami...their qb stats are similar

and idk how you could say that a 2nd round rookie qb should be out of the league if he can't lock up the second string job on the jets. Their QBs aren't that great, but they're still better than a rookie 2nd rounder

hooskins · 08-06-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Proven loser? Really? How do you figure Ramsey with a career W/L of 10-14 is a more proven guy than Fielder with a career W/L of 37-23??

If anyone is the loser here, it's clearly Ramsey.

Honestly there is nothing to counter this point, debate is finished, Fielder is better.

steveo395 · 08-06-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Honestly there is nothing to counter this point, debate is finished, Fielder is better.

it takes a team to win a game, not one player

Monkeydad · 08-08-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by steveo395

it takes a team to win a game, not one player

True, but is takes only one bonehead player to lose a game. Ramsey proved that many times.

Rhaamses · 08-06-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Honestly there is nothing to counter this point, debate is finished, Fielder is better.

Fielders that are better that Ramsey:

1). Jay

2). Prince

3). Cecil

4). Left, Center and Right

steveo395 · 08-06-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhaamses

Fielders that are better that Ramsey:

1). Jay

2). Prince

3). Cecil

4). Left, Center and Right

considering his name is fiedler, that was pretty lame

offiss · 08-06-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Honestly there is nothing to counter this point, debate is finished, Fielder is better.

Have you ever seen the guy play in person? He's a joke, Miami won games on the back of Ricky Williams period.

He's so good they bought in AJ Feeley, Feeley had the best win loss record of them all, talk about a horrible QB, stats are many times meaningless in determaining a players ability, circumstances often dictate a players success's and failures. Trent Dilfer anyone?

I will say though that in his prime Cecil "Fielder" was probably a better QB than Jay "Fiedler" lol

SmootSmack · 08-06-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Have you ever seen the guy play in person? He's a joke, Miami won games on the back of Ricky Williams period.

He's so good they bought in AJ Feeley, Feeley had the best win loss record of them all, talk about a horrible QB, stats are many times meaningless in determaining a players ability, circumstances often dictate a players success's and failures. Trent Dilfer anyone?

I will say though that in his prime Cecil "Fielder" was probably a better QB than Jay "Fiedler" lol

That's a very compelling argument....except how do you explain that the Dolphins were 11-5 in 2000 and 2001 (something they hadn't done since 1992, and haven't done since), with Jay Fiedler starting at QB and before Ricky Williams got there?

MTK · 08-06-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

That's a very compelling argument....except how do you explain that the Dolphins were 11-5 in 2000 and 2001 (something they hadn't done since 1992, and haven't done since), with Jay Fiedler starting at QB and before Ricky Williams got there?

Don't worry, there's always an excuse when it comes to defending Patrick 'Montana' Ramsey. You have to throw all stats right out the window, they're completely meaningless. It's what's in the mind of a football man that matters. And no I'm not talking about Gibbs or anyone on the Jets coaching staff either. Everyone is still missing the boat on this guy. We'll all see someday...

steveo395 · 08-06-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

That's a very compelling argument....except how do you explain that the Dolphins were 11-5 in 2000 and 2001 (something they hadn't done since 1992, and haven't done since), with Jay Fiedler starting at QB and before Ricky Williams got there?

In 2000, they had the 27th (out of 31) best offense and the 6th best defense

In 2001, they had the 24th (out of 31) best offense and the 5th best defense

Fiedler really carried that team...

I'm not even trying to say the Ramsey is good...im saying Fiedler isn't

SmootSmack · 08-07-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by steveo395

In 2000, they had the 27th (out of 31) best offense and the 6th best defense

In 2001, they had the 24th (out of 31) best offense and the 5th best defense

Fiedler really carried that team...

I'm not even trying to say the Ramsey is good...im saying Fiedler isn't

At least that's an argument that has something to back it up. That I can respect. But for someone to say that Ricky Williams carried a team he didn't even play for...well to say that, you must be smoking what Ricky is.

I can't believe we're all arguing over two QBs who don't even play for us. All I was trying to say when I mentioned Fiedler was that I'd rather have him as a 3rd string, never going to play QB than Todd Collins. Who would have thought it would cause all this?

hooskins · 08-07-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by steveo395

In 2000, they had the 27th (out of 31) best offense and the 6th best defense

In 2001, they had the 24th (out of 31) best offense and the 5th best defense

Fiedler really carried that team...

I'm not even trying to say the Ramsey is good...im saying Fiedler isn't

Good point, but kinda like what I was saying before the Skins had a good D with Ramsey as the starter as well, but he struggled to win.

hooskins · 08-06-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Have you ever seen the guy play in person? He's a joke, Miami won games on the back of Ricky Williams period.

He's so good they bought in AJ Feeley, Feeley had the best win loss record of them all, talk about a horrible QB, stats are many times meaningless in determaining a players ability, circumstances often dictate a players success's and failures. Trent Dilfer anyone?

I will say though that in his prime Cecil "Fielder" was probably a better QB than Jay "Fiedler" lol

Have you seen Ramsey play? He is a JOKE. All of the games I have seen him play, he never ever seems to comfortable. Talking about circumstances, Ramsey had top 5 defenses supporting him when he was playing, the defense did their part to help us win, he just couldn't do the rest. He has been tried and tested, and he just isnt enough. That is why we need to move on from Ramsey. We need to think about our future, and as of now it is Campbell. Ramsey barely even cuts up to being a backup, and our team needs Campbell in, maybe even losing, but getting a chance to get some regular season action.

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