Tom Brady/Balco Connection

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by dmek25

good post offiss. the majority of the players juicing, all you have to do is look at them and the writing is on the wall. im not buying into brady doing steroids

I completely disagree that the majority of players are juicing. Football players go through a ridiculous training schedule, that is far more intense than any other american sport, so obviously they're going to be bigger and stronger that 99% of the population. I'm sure many of them use legal supplements, but steroid use by NFL players is nowhere near the level it is for baseball players.

NFL substance abuse punishments are also far more harsh than other sports. To the league office, skipping a test is the same thing as a positive test, and the first strike is a quarter of a season suspension. The next strike is a full season, and a lifetime ban after that. You can't test positive twenty times and still have a career, like you can in baseball and basketball.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I completely disagree that the majority of players are juicing. Football players go through a ridiculous training schedule, that is far more intense than any other american sport, so obviously they're going to be bigger and stronger that 99% of the population. I'm sure many of them use legal supplements, but steroid use by NFL players is nowhere near the level it is for baseball players.

NFL substance abuse punishments are also far more harsh than other sports. To the league office, skipping a test is the same thing as a positive test, and the first strike is a quarter of a season suspension. The next strike is a full season, and a lifetime ban after that. You can't test positive twenty times and still have a career, like you can in baseball and basketball.

You greatly misunderstand this issue, there is by far, more roids or should I say growth hormones in the NFL than in any other sport, you cannot maintain the body weight and muscle mass with what you have described as a ridiculous training regimin, the matabolism wont allow it especially at the young ages of most of these players, there is no way to maintain that weight through the season without illegal help.

As for drug testing? Do you understand what is going on in baseball? Most of these guy's are not being caught because no one know's how to test for these different muscle enhancers, what do you think this Balco case is all about? It's all word of mouth, these players can continue to do it because they will never test positive because the drug is undetectable.

The body puts out growth hormones naturally, but everyone puts out a different amount, so nobody can be judged on a standard level, so they raise the level so high that everyone comes in under the test level if it can be detected at all.

Bottom line if anyone thinks that the higharchey of MLB, or the NFL want's performance enhancing drugs out, I have a bridge over here in Jersey I would like to sell you. Higher performance means a higher quality product, which means more money in everyones pocket.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

You greatly misunderstand this issue, there is by far, more roids or should I say growth hormones in the NFL than in any other sport, you cannot maintain the body weight and muscle mass with what you have described as a ridiculous training regimin, the matabolism wont allow it especially at the young ages of most of these players, there is no way to maintain that weight through the season without illegal help.

Your comment about a person's metabolism is only correct for a portion of the population. I have a personal friend, who very rarely does any kind of lifting, yet he looks like a thin bodybuilder. I have another friend, who grew up in South Carolina and actually played Pop Warner football against Stephen Davis. He said Davis was huge, fast, and dominant compared to all the other ten year olds he was playing against. I doubt very seriously that Stephen Davis was juicing when he was ten years old.

Most athletes are genetic freaks, who have been bigger and faster than everyone else their entire lives. While I agree that a lot of players may use supplements, it's a little close minded to assume that a player is juicing simply because he is bigger and stronger than the average person.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Your comment about a person's metabolism is only correct for a portion of the population. I have a personal friend, who very rarely does any kind of lifting, yet he looks like a thin bodybuilder. I have another friend, who grew up in South Carolina and actually played pop warner football against Stephen Davis. He said Davis was huge, fast, and dominant compared to all the other ten year olds he was playing against. I doubt very seriously that Stephen Davis was juicing when he was ten years old.

Most athletes are genetic freaks, who have been bigger and faster than everyone else their entire lives. While I agree that a lot of players may use supplements, it's a little close minded to assume that a player is juicing simply because he is bigger and stronger than the average person.

I do not ever want to accuse an individual of cheating, when he's only guilty of hard work, but you have to understand I have been lifting and bodybuilding since I was 15, I am now 42, I have been in and out of gyms all over Jersey I have played semi pro baseball, and have played with and against X MLB players as well as X NFL players, you have no idea what's going on out there, as Defensewins pointed out HS kids are juicing, they were juicing when I was in HS, do really believe that with all the money available if you make a pro team that these guys aren't going to start juicing for the big pay day? Heck a third of my old softball team used to juice as we headed into the playoffs and we only played for a trophy. I understand your stance but that stance is exactly what these pro sports organizations are counting on, they tell everyone we have a strict drug testing program when in fact it's not the frequency in which these players are tested, it's the method in which they are tested, and rest assured nobody is looking for positive results!