Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

[MTK]

vote and discuss

[EternalEnigma21]

done and done...

he hasnt done anything spectacular. He's so afraid of throwing a TO he doesn't try to make anything happen when he should. We paid top dollar for our recievers and when he decides not to feed the stands he can't hit them..

I'd bench some of our O linemen too, though...

[number21isabadman]

maybe we should try to get farve to come over or maybe just start campbell

[aehs77]

its painful to watch brunell

[diehardskin2982]

start campbell all i've seen brunnell do is manage a game well and I think that can be taught!

[EternalEnigma21]

where do you weigh in at matty?

[MTK]

Tonight was horrible but I'm trying to look at the entire picture here.

The OL was awful. It was a jail break everytime Brunell dropped back.

The playcalling was subpar. Run on first down, run on second, bingo third and long.

And what's with all the outside runs? Just doesn't seem to mesh very well with the kind of guys we have up front. I guess the counters and power runs are gone.

The offense as a whole from the coaches on down needs improving. I really don't see where replacing one guy is going to make any real difference right now.

Our best shot at improving is to ride this out for a few more weeks at least.

[mooby]

Right now I'm at the wait another week point. Brunell has played pretty poorly the past two games, but if he stinks it up against the Texans it will just confirm that he sucks, really really bad. I'm willing to give him a chance just because he hasn't had Portis back there the past two games. If he stinks it up next week vs. the Texans, it's time to put in Campbell. Brunell will either be retired, playing for another team, or being our backup quarterback after this season, because there's no way in hell we're going to sit Jason Campbell for 3 seasons in a row to give him time to learn. If Brunell stinks it up next week, put in Campbell, let him take his lumps and learn along the way.

[SmootSmack]

I'll post what I wrote in another thread:

The whole offense looks out of synch right now, even to the point that I don't know if Gibbs and Saunders have really figured out how they playcalling will work. My gut is that there were several instances today, and on Monday where Gibbs wanted to overrule a Saunders call but was reluctant to. But Dockery can't pass block, the right side can't run block. Betts and Duckett look like they're running in slow motion (no more talk about Portis being just a system back please); the receivers are running 8 yard routes on 3rd and 9; Cooley is not cool, he's just ey (thank you Gmanc711 for that fine piece of writing there); Brunell is throwing floaters...nothing is clicking right now.

And I suppose the easy answer is put in a QB with absolutely no game experience because we're 0-2. I think Campbell will get destroyed out there, it would potentially be more damaging to his psyche to do that to him. Then again, who knows. He does seem a lot tougher mentally than a certain other young QB we just traded away this offseason.

One thing I would do is make JC the backup for all games, not Collins. Maybe you do like the Titans are doing with Vince Young. Let Campbell play a couple of series. Especially if the game is out of hand. I don't think he's ready to start though, especially the way the team is as a whole right now.

[EternalEnigma21]

T,

Im not so sure that alot of the pass rush isn't caused by the QB play. Not all of it, but he hangs on too long alot of the time and wears out his O-line. And throwing a pick when they bring 8 guys and you have 3 guys running routes in unnacceptable...(even though it got called back). You should have a slant route open and running for 6.

They know he's not that fast and they took advantage to the max...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

T,

Im not so sure that alot of the pass rush isn't caused by the QB play. Not all of it, but he hangs on too long alot of the time and wears out his O-line. And throwing a pick when they bring 8 guys and you have 3 guys running routes in unnacceptable...(even though it got called back). You should have a slant route open and running for 6.

They know he's not that fast and they took advantage to the max...

Good points. I think Dockery has regressed big time and I've never been a huge fan of Samuels admittedly.

[Beemnseven]

On the post game show on Sportstalk 980, Doc Walker said it best -- (paraphrasing) if Campbell can't do better than Brunell, then it was a waste of a pick.

That's basically where I am. I don't think you're throwing in the towel by letting Jason Campbell play. At some point, you have to wonder if sitting Brunell and having the kid take over is what's best for the team.

Does Brunell still give us the best chance to win? While it's not all on him, maybe Campbell completes a pass to a tightly covered receiver, or he does something that Brunell couldn't do all night: hit a receiver while being blitzed and make the opposing defense pay for it. Make them back off a bit. The way things played out tonight, Dallas had no reason not to blitz someone on every single play. The Redskins couldn't defend it once!

[Gmanc711]

I'm really starting to lose paitence. I mean the offensive line did not play well, I'm not going to let them off the hook here....

But damn, Brunell just looked awful. I mean when Dallas blitzes 8 guys, SOMEONE has to be open...SOMEONE is one on one, there has to be a check route or something. I mean he missed open recivers, he taking too long in the pocket, he's playing scared, he would throw the ball too quickly somtimes. Overall he just dosent look comfrotable at all; and really looks like he's hurt somewhere in there.

Were still 0-2, so I dont really know what to say; I dont know first hand how Campbell has grasped this offense and if putting him out there would be feeding him to the woods, so I could understand Brunell being in there another short string of games (not that I think he desreves to be)...but I can tolerate him starting next week...but if were in Houston struggling with him, I put Campbell in before the games end and we start things with him. In addition, if in the middle of October were 2-5...its Campbell time right there.

Someone mentioned Favre...and I am not the biggest fan of him; but I've heard crazier things and Snyder might be the only owner in the leauge who'd do that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

But damn, Brunell just looked awful. I mean when Dallas blitzes 8 guys, SOMEONE has to be open...SOMEONE is one on one, there has to be a check route or something. I mean he missed open recivers, he taking too long in the pocket, he's playing scared, he would throw the ball too quickly somtimes. Overall he just dosent look comfrotable at all; and really looks like he's hurt somewhere in there.

On a couple of occasions last night, Dallas would blitz and Brunell would throw an accurate albiet soft pass in a spot where only his guy can get it. All those passes were dropped. I remember vividly one with Moss, and one with Randle El. Brunell is doing a lot of what I expect from a veteran QB. In 2 losses, he's only been picked off once. He completed 60% against the Vikings, so I don't know what the big deal is there. Chalk up a bad game vs. Dallas, I guess, even though that was more a product of the entire team getting destroyed than anything. Brunell is giving us no more than we expected, but let's face it, to beat Dallas without Portis, Brunell was going to have to have a really good day. I'm not going to hold it against him that he didn't, setbacks are part of the game.

[itvnetop]

I give him one more half against Houston... if we're looking the same against that Defense, a shakeup is needed (even if it's not totally on the QB, a change may spark something).