skins skin jags: Thoughts?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

2nd down is not automatically a passing down. No matter, the benefit of doubt goes to Al Saunders. With his play calling, if you were the Jacksonville defense today, you just didn't know what to do.

I agree that Saunders called a great game. All I'm saying is that Jacksonville was not fooled at all. I think the 3rd quarter is the best time to call a trick play because the opposing coaches are completely wrapped up in the flow of the game by then. Surprise onside kicks work well then too. But these are only my crackpot theories. I'm sure the coaches had reasons to believe the play would work an that way at that time. They analyze those things in every conceivable way.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I agree that Saunders called a great game. All I'm saying is that Jacksonville was not fooled at all. I think the 3rd quarter is the best time to call a trick play because the opposing coaches are completely wrapped up in the flow of the game by then. Surprise onside kicks work well then too. But these are only my crackpot theories. I'm sure the coaches had reasons to believe the play would work an that way at that time. They analyze those things in every conceivable way.

Yeah, Jacksonville seemed like they were ready for the trick plays tonight -- the option pass by Randle was another example. But that's one of the advantages to this offense: Key in on Randle El, and we'll hit you with Moss and Portis! Lots of weapons to deal with here.

Soon, once Cooley and Lloyd become fully in sync, they will be another dimension defenses will have to contend with as all of the facets of this offense start firing on all cylinders.

When that happens, watch the fuck out.

[RobH4413]

Besides that one catch Brandon Lloyd had a terrible game. I can really see what the 49er fans were talking about when they said he is afraid of contact, and good for only a highlight reel or two. He had two costly plays (penalty and fumble) that could have very well ended the game for us (if we lost, everyone would want his head). He needs to step it up big time.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Besides that one catch Brandon Lloyd had a terrible game. I can really see what the 49er fans were talking about when they said he is afraid of contact, and good for only a highlight reel or two. He had two costly plays (penalty and fumble) that could have very well ended the game for us (if we lost, everyone would want his head). He needs to step it up big time.

He made 2 nice catches in the game, and he broke away from his defender only to have the ball overthrown on what would've been a TD. I wouldn't go ahead and throw in the towel on him yet...

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Besides that one catch Brandon Lloyd had a terrible game. I can really see what the 49er fans were talking about when they said he is afraid of contact, and good for only a highlight reel or two. He had two costly plays (penalty and fumble) that could have very well ended the game for us (if we lost, everyone would want his head). He needs to step it up big time.

"Besides that one catch"... Do you mean the huge one that helped them win the game?

"Step it up". Like make a huge 3rd down catch on a critical drive?

Unf-ingbelievable. I wish people would read their posts before hitting the button.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

"Besides that one catch"... Do you mean the huge one that helped them win the game?

"Step it up". Like make a huge 3rd down catch on a critical drive?

Unf-ingbelievable. I wish people would read their posts before hitting the button.

You make me laugh.

If you think Lloyd doesn't need to step it up your crazy. His celebration penalty set up a the Jaguar drive leading to a field goal... and his fumble could have very well ended the game. Defending someone contributing -6 points on the day just doesn't make sense... it's "Unf-ingbelievable".

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

You make me laugh.

If you think Lloyd doesn't need to step it up your crazy. His celebration penalty set up a the Jaguar drive leading to a field goal... and his fumble could have very well ended the game. Defending someone contributing -6 points on the day just doesn't make sense... it's "Unf-ingbelievable".

Well if Brunell hadn't thrown the pick on the flea-flicker... and if someone would've made a tackle in our secondary all day... and blah blah blah blah blah....

Seriously, I really don't get the calling for Lloyd's head right now. He went to tuck a ball and got it stripped... that shit happens...

That penalty was bogus, as the Jags Leftwitch picked up his reciever in the endzone and put him on his shoulder and DID NOT GET CALLED... (don't know if anyone else noticed that) and the fact that we could not beat ANY AFC team we played last year and we just beat one of the BEST AFC teams and you're bitching about the couple of things that went wrong immediately after the game tells me its time to up the meds...

I just think that there are far worse things that happened in that game than to be calling out Lloyd... Id worry about our D missing fucking tackles... we did give up 30 points!

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

That penalty was bogus, as the Jags Leftwitch picked up his reciever in the endzone and put him on his shoulder and DID NOT GET CALLED...

I noticed that too.

I seriously think that was one of the worst ref'ed games I've ever seen. The jags had a 4 play TD towards the ened of the game that either tied it or cut our lead to 3, but it shouldn't have been that easy for them because there seriously should have been a delay of game call on the 3rd play. I was sitting there in the stands looking up at the clock ticking, "3, 2, 1, 0..." and I looked down to see the ball still in the center's hands. No flags, big gain, TD on the next pass (it was that one where williams almost got his head knocked off by Taylor but still held on).

The very next possession the same thing almost happened. I was watching the clok a bit more closely, saying out loud, "3, 2, 1, 0, 0!, 0!, 0!," and then the flags finally came out. I honestly think 2 or 3 seconds had passed before the ref whistled the play dead.

I couldn't really see the Lloyd penalty from where I was sitting so I really don't know what to say about that one.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

You make me laugh.

If you think Lloyd doesn't need to step it up your crazy. His celebration penalty set up a the Jaguar drive leading to a field goal... and his fumble could have very well ended the game. Defending someone contributing -6 points on the day just doesn't make sense... it's "Unf-ingbelievable".

-6 Haven't seen that stat but when you have a moronic "point", you might as well make up a fictional stat.

Do me a favor. Watch the fourth quarter and watch #85 help them win the game. It doesn't get more simple than that.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

-6 Haven't seen that stat but when you have a moronic "point", you might as well make up a fictional stat.

Do me a favor. Watch the fourth quarter and watch #85 help them win the game. It doesn't get more simple than that.

My point was that Brandon Lloyd needs to improve, based on his performance today. A celebration call (while I disagree with the league rule itself, I feel Lloyd knew the rule, and it was a rather "bone-headed" and arguably game changing decision) and a costly fumble is not a good game. If we would have lost, this wouldn't be a debate. I think it's rather brash to discredit my "point" as moronic, but don't really care.