What Is Wrong With The Offense?

jdlea · 10-09-2006, 11:31 AM

The defense couldn't get them on the field and the O line couldn't give Brunell enough time to make throws. If he sees anyone within about 5 yards of him he's throwing off his back foot or running out of the pocket to throw it away. That and it seems like he only ever makes 2 reads.

RedskinRat · 10-09-2006, 11:36 AM

Brunell doesn't scare any secondary, not even an inept Giants secondary that was close to league worst.

What does that tell anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together?

RiggoRules · 10-09-2006, 12:13 PM

The Skins only threw deep once the entire game. That is against a highly suspect secondary.

So to me, the question is why not?

Do the coaches know #8 can't be counted on to make those plays any more or does #8 simply not count on himself to make the deep throws?

In an offense that puts on the field at the same time:

Portis
Moss
Cooley
REL
Lloyd

I can't for the life of me understand how no one is getting a mismatch and getting open to make a play.

Our pass protection (which is more than just the OLine) may not be the class of the NFC, but it is good enough to give enough time to make a throw.

So yeah, I think the problems with the O during games 1,2,& 5 have something to do with the play at QB. Even during the record setting performance in HOU, we saw the same lack of push downfield.

dmek25 · 10-09-2006, 12:35 PM

am i the only one that thought that portis ran the ball ok? if we dont trust brunell, why didnt we just load up on portis and run the f**king ball?

illdefined · 10-09-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

am i the only one that thought that portis ran the ball ok? if we dont trust brunell, why didnt we just load up on portis and run the f**king ball?

sucks to say, but Pierce. he'd always find a way through our offensive line and get at Portis before he could break any.

JankySpanky80 · 10-09-2006, 12:44 PM

Give the Giants credit they had 2 weeks to prepare for us and they got the job done. Its the curse of the meadowlands. They wanted it more. we really need Springs back so we can be more agressive on D. Maybe by some miracle he'll be back this week. The season isn't doomed yet but don't sleep on the Titans. They are a desperate team that hasn't won a game yet. It would be embarassing if we don't pull that one out. I truly believe if we play like we are capable we can go into indy and beat them and head into the bye week at 4-3 and have 2 weeks to prepare for Dallas. Schedule isn't easy so the skins gotta bring there A game every week.

JWsleep · 10-09-2006, 01:18 PM

Growing pains, I guess. Still a new system, and we really haven't got all the flexibility that this offesne will give us down the road. That being said, MB did NOT look good, and the o-line got bullied all game long. QBs have to make some plays when you're having trouble, and for us especially, the o-line has to be physical. Still, my guess is that down the road, Saunders will have a good feel for what to do with this group of players when they are struggling. I don't think he has that confidence yet.

SmootSmack · 10-09-2006, 02:06 PM

Here's something to chew on (granted the numbers have changed since Sunday). And I know people will be saying "oh but that's 'cause Santana gets so many yards after the catch" To which I say, yeah but so what. Like Matty said a couple of weeks ago, it's not like Montana and Young were airing bombs to Jerry Rice. They were a lot of short to intermediary passes that put Rice in a position to be a playmaker and take off.

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Home: 2006 passing yards per attempt

railcon56 · 10-09-2006, 04:32 PM

When Eli hit 2 deep passes...I was asking myself....Why Can't we ever take shots like that...... The Skins are 10 times as talented as the Gimps.... What's the weak link... answer that question?

illdefined · 10-09-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by railcon56

When Eli hit 2 deep passes...I was asking myself....Why Can't we ever take shots like that...... The Skins are 10 times as talented as the Gimps.... What's the weak link... answer that question?

well, Brunell tends to not throw long unless it's up against a sideline. think thats a fairly diplomatic way of stating that crummy fact.

Twilbert07 · 10-09-2006, 04:39 PM

Did y'all see the news on John Hall? ESPN. com says his job in in jeopardy.

ESPN.com - NFL - Sources: Kicker Hall on thin ice with Redskins

railcon56 · 10-09-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I believe part of it is we have no ability to stretch the field. We haven't connected on a long pass all year. We've had some go for a long ways because of great WR moves, but nothing where they have to back out of the box and be weary of it.

Save you're type a few of us have been saying this for 2 years... but people are very satisfied with dinks and dunks... i know opposing defenses are...makes preparation alot easier...

railcon56 · 10-09-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Here's something to chew on (granted the numbers have changed since Sunday). And I know people will be saying "oh but that's 'cause Santana gets so many yards after the catch" To which I say, yeah but so what. Like Matty said a couple of weeks ago, it's not like Montana and Young were airing bombs to Jerry Rice. They were a lot of short to intermediary passes that put Rice in a position to be a playmaker and take off.

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Home: 2006 passing yards per attempt

Yes alot were...but Montana could and would still throw it up.... Mc Nabb does it Eli... Peyton... Brady does hell even Jake does... Ya just have to take some shots down field ...Every commentator has been saying this too... Down Madden all u want.but he has forgotten more about football than we will ever know...

SmootSmack · 10-09-2006, 05:04 PM

Brunell is averaging more yards per attempt this year than either Peyton or Brady.

Twilbert07 · 10-09-2006, 05:08 PM

Better yet, Brunell has three times as many losses this season as P. Manning and Brady combined.

10-09-2006, 11:31 AM	#16
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? The defense couldn't get them on the field and the O line couldn't give Brunell enough time to make throws. If he sees anyone within about 5 yards of him he's throwing off his back foot or running out of the pocket to throw it away. That and it seems like he only ever makes 2 reads.

10-09-2006, 11:36 AM	#17
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? Brunell doesn't scare any secondary, not even an inept Giants secondary that was close to league worst. What does that tell anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together?

10-09-2006, 12:13 PM	#18
RiggoRules Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 380	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? The Skins only threw deep once the entire game. That is against a highly suspect secondary. So to me, the question is why not? Do the coaches know #8 can't be counted on to make those plays any more or does #8 simply not count on himself to make the deep throws? In an offense that puts on the field at the same time: Portis Moss Cooley REL Lloyd I can't for the life of me understand how no one is getting a mismatch and getting open to make a play. Our pass protection (which is more than just the OLine) may not be the class of the NFC, but it is good enough to give enough time to make a throw. So yeah, I think the problems with the O during games 1,2,& 5 have something to do with the play at QB. Even during the record setting performance in HOU, we saw the same lack of push downfield. __________________ *"Lighten up, Sandy Baby."*

10-09-2006, 12:35 PM	#19
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? am i the only one that thought that portis ran the ball ok? if we dont trust brunell, why didnt we just load up on portis and run the f**king ball? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

10-09-2006, 12:44 PM	#21
JankySpanky80 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 267	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? Give the Giants credit they had 2 weeks to prepare for us and they got the job done. Its the curse of the meadowlands. They wanted it more. we really need Springs back so we can be more agressive on D. Maybe by some miracle he'll be back this week. The season isn't doomed yet but don't sleep on the Titans. They are a desperate team that hasn't won a game yet. It would be embarassing if we don't pull that one out. I truly believe if we play like we are capable we can go into indy and beat them and head into the bye week at 4-3 and have 2 weeks to prepare for Dallas. Schedule isn't easy so the skins gotta bring there A game every week. __________________ JANK-e SPANK-e

10-09-2006, 01:18 PM	#22
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? Growing pains, I guess. Still a new system, and we really haven't got all the flexibility that this offesne will give us down the road. That being said, MB did NOT look good, and the o-line got bullied all game long. QBs have to make some plays when you're having trouble, and for us especially, the o-line has to be physical. Still, my guess is that down the road, Saunders will have a good feel for what to do with this group of players when they are struggling. I don't think he has that confidence yet. __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-09-2006, 02:06 PM	#23
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? Here's something to chew on (granted the numbers have changed since Sunday). And I know people will be saying "oh but that's 'cause Santana gets so many yards after the catch" To which I say, yeah but so what. Like Matty said a couple of weeks ago, it's not like Montana and Young were airing bombs to Jerry Rice. They were a lot of short to intermediary passes that put Rice in a position to be a playmaker and take off. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Home: 2006 passing yards per attempt __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-09-2006, 04:32 PM	#24
railcon56 Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 922	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? When Eli hit 2 deep passes...I was asking myself....Why Can't we ever take shots like that...... The Skins are 10 times as talented as the Gimps.... What's the weak link... answer that question? __________________ Run or Pass and Score ..We Want Alot More!!!!

10-09-2006, 04:39 PM	#26
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 60 Posts: 594	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? Did y'all see the news on John Hall? ESPN. com says his job in in jeopardy. ESPN.com - NFL - Sources: Kicker Hall on thin ice with Redskins __________________ a Skins fan every day, every way.

10-09-2006, 05:04 PM	#29
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? Brunell is averaging more yards per attempt this year than either Peyton or Brady. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-09-2006, 05:08 PM	#30
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 60 Posts: 594	Re: What Is Wrong With The Offense? Better yet, Brunell has three times as many losses this season as P. Manning and Brady combined. __________________ a Skins fan every day, every way.

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