T.J. Duckett Conspiracy

Longtimefan · 10-12-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You're forgetting a few. Cooley, Marshall, and Sellers.

Just checked on both Sellers, and Marshall. We signed Sellers as an UFA in 98 and Marshall as a FA in 2001. I would like to see a little more home grown talent making up the core of our roster as opposed to FA's; so that's the main reason why I have for the most part disagreed with the trading away of DC's. Every year here we seem to always be in the "win now" mode which becomes a breeding ground for FA's. It's beginning to remind me of the George Allen era when "The Future Is Now" slogan was the order of the day.

Oh, and speaking of Sellers, he did have a short stint with Cleveland, and the Canadian league before coming back to the NFL and the Redskins after working out some of his personal problems.

irish · 10-12-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Of our twenty two starters on both offense and defense, only five are our very own draft choices. Samuels, Jansen and Dockery on the OL, Rogers, and Taylor in the defensive secondary. Is this really the way you want to build a football team?

No its not. All of the recently successful teams keep their draft picks and deveolp their own young hungry player that play hard so they can get a big payday. The skins give away draft picks and sign older free agents that appear to come here looking for a payday after a good contract year with another team. The results of both approaches speak for themselves.

Longtimefan · 10-12-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

No its not. All of the recently successful teams keep their draft picks and deveolp their own young hungry player that play hard so they can get a big payday. The skins give away draft picks and sign older free agents that appear to come here looking for a payday after a good contract year with another team. The results of both approaches speak for themselves.

My sentiments exactly. However only in the world of professional sports do you get paid before you work. In the real world I wonder how many employers would go bankrupt using that formula. I have never in my life had a job where I got paid before I worked. I have never had to wonder how teams like Philadelphia and other always wind up with a host of young talent year after year. Thed don't trade all their future away for players just looking for a stellar bonus and payday. Teams that build that way will always be in contention year after year.

vaoutlaws2006 · 10-15-2006, 08:15 AM

Wonder why we have no depth? We keep trading picks for guys with limited roles. Is this any way to build a long-term winner? I love how New England and Philly stockpile draft picks, and build a team through the draft first and fill the few remaining holes with free agency. I call that the "anti-Danny" approach to running a football team. I hope that Gibbs and The Danny can win consistently with their approach, but I won't hold my breath on that.[/quote]

"anti-danny" approach. someone he sees it for the way it is. we will pay a steep price for all of these trades down the road. It will come back and bite us in the ass again. Let me remind everyone once again of the 2000 season. This all seems eerily familiar. Coming off a playoff season we added a bunch of free agents....remember we won a playoff game in 99 and then added a bunch of free agents and we didnt make the playoffs. Fast forward to now. Won a playoff game and added a bunch of free agents and look where we are now. Too damn similar.

Hog1 · 10-11-2006, 08:03 AM

What the big deal? If we aquired TJ for insurance, can we not deal him if he is now not needed? Why are we not feeling good about Portis returning early? Have we lost something?

Schneed10 · 10-11-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

What the big deal? If we aquired TJ for insurance, can we not deal him if he is now not needed? Why are we not feeling good about Portis returning early? Have we lost something?

This assumes that we will trade him before the deadline, which we won't.

I'm irked by the move to acquire him as well. It was a knee-jerk reaction to Portis's shoulder. Way too much to give up for insurance. I mean we already had Betts for crying out loud. Betts wouldn't set the world on fire as a starter, but then again neither would Duckett.

Retarded move if you ask me. Gibbs' nervous nelly nature got the best of him on that move.

MTK · 10-11-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

This assumes that we will trade him before the deadline, which we won't.

I'm irked by the move to acquire him as well. It was a knee-jerk reaction to Portis's shoulder. Way too much to give up for insurance. I mean we already had Betts for crying out loud. Betts wouldn't set the world on fire as a starter, but then again neither would Duckett.

Retarded move if you ask me. Gibbs' nervous nelly nature got the best of him on that move.

Betts was also hurt at the time the move was made.

Given Portis's history of shoulder problems going back to last year, coupled with Betts' extensive injury history, was it really a knee-jerk reaction to acquire a proven back? With how heavily the offense is based on the running game, god forbid Portis and Betts were both out and we were down to Cartwright taking the full workload, I can only imagine the complaining that we didn't address the RB situation properly enough.

Maybe it was a move that has proved to be unnecessary with Portis appearing to be at or very close to 100% and Betts remaining healthy. But the logic at the time was sound in making the move, and it might prove to still be a good move depending on what happens the rest of the way.

SlabHurta · 10-11-2006, 08:39 AM

I'm also asking why we haven't been using him in perfect situations to use him. In these pivotal points in the game, we have stuck with someone else and they weren't able to get the first down. Duckett 9 time out of 10 was able to pick up these short conversions and it makes me wonder why we have him at all?

Southpaw · 10-11-2006, 10:07 AM

On the John Riggins show yesterday, I heard that Duckett wants to stick around, even though he's been inactive the last few weeks. My theory is that the Washington front office thinks Betts will leave after this season, so they have pretty much assured Duckett that he'll be the #2 tailback next season. Like I said, it's just my theory, but why else would a potentially #1 running back be content with being inactive, week after week?

SUNRA · 10-11-2006, 08:48 AM

If it's about the depth chart as Coach Gibbs explained, then deactivate James Thrash and get Duckett in there. I've got a lot of questions for Coach Gibbs and I'm getting tired of the same lame explanation he has given. "We the coaching, should have prepared better, or nothing seemed to go our way. Of course it's not going your way, when every time he mentions how hard it is to play in the Meadowlands and then calls plays that did'nt stretch the field nor did I see any three to four receiver sets. It seemed Gibbs played right into the strengths of the Giants and away from the strengths of what won the game last week. Throw the fuckin' ball to Moss and let him do his thing. Damn is it that hard?

onlydarksets · 10-11-2006, 09:09 AM

This does seem like the one area where it's hard to argue that the FO has "a master plan that we should all wait patiently for". Giving away picks is going to hurt us down the road, especially since it is doubtful we will be able to recoup picks on many of these players.

GhettoDogAllStars · 10-11-2006, 10:32 AM

yeah, I heard he was content also. but wasn't he getting frustrated in ATL, being #2? what makes washington any different? more money?

Southpaw · 10-11-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

yeah, I heard he was content also. but wasn't he getting frustrated in ATL, being #2? what makes washington any different? more money?

Money would be my guess. Snyder has never had a problem throwing money around. Then again, Duckett could just be singing the company line, and being a team player. Maybe he's stewing under the surface.

Hog1 · 10-11-2006, 10:52 AM

Maybe we are getting a little to worked up by everything the coaching staff does lately. MAYBE, we are not privy to all that goes on in Redskin park. Betts, while a reasonable back up, has not proven to be able to carry the load. This is especially true if Betts was banged up as already stated. I love the Rock, but he ain't first string, or a reasonable facimilie. I have no problem with the team taking Duckett as an insurance poilicy, as that is what insurance is for. Additionally, they can probably recoup their pick before the draft, if they so choose. I would really like to see him in the lineup so we don't throw on 3rd and 1. It's not time to stroke on everthing as Joe and company will right the ship

Oakland Red · 10-11-2006, 11:56 AM

It seems like everything is judged pretty much based on what happened last Sunday by a lot of people. Things go bad, you have to trash the quarterback. Or if he has some cache built up, trash the coaches, or the player acquistion strategy. Unless you win, then it's all cool. A roller coaster is fun once in awhile, but it's tough to live on one.

Teams can be at different stages in my view - stages in their readiness to make a Super Bowl run. The Redskins have a lot of the ingredients ready and almost baked to make a Super Bowl run. So the focus has not been on the draft but on adding the veterans we need to finish the puzzle.

The confusion I think exists about all this is conflating the years Snyder was running the team without Gibbs with the years since Gibbs has arrived. These are two different eras in my view. Snyder of course wanted to get all the flashy names like Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith and LaVar Arrington. He wanted to release players without the head coach knowing, so that the head coach would find out from players in team meetings that someone was cut. He wanted to come into the locker room after games, close the door and give the head coach a humiliating tongue lashing.

All those terrible years are gone, and Gibbs arrived, and he has been making the best of the situation, bringing order, developing the team that he inherited, taking the best of who was already here, and figuring on the best strategy to go from that point.

To my mind, we have been getting better overall every year since he arrived. Things are moving along well in the big picture. Mistakes have been made, and right now releasing Walt Harris could be one of the biggest ones. It seems like this year is not the year for us to make the Super Bowl run, but hopefully we will get the engines running very well before the season is out.

And the fact is that even in this much maligned season, we have already had some special moments, particularly against the Jaguars.

"Patience is the only strength that a man needs."

10-15-2006, 08:15 AM	#4
vaoutlaws2006 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fayettenam, NC Age: 53 Posts: 806	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy Wonder why we have no depth? We keep trading picks for guys with limited roles. Is this any way to build a long-term winner? I love how New England and Philly stockpile draft picks, and build a team through the draft first and fill the few remaining holes with free agency. I call that the "anti-Danny" approach to running a football team. I hope that Gibbs and The Danny can win consistently with their approach, but I won't hold my breath on that.[/quote] "anti-danny" approach. someone he sees it for the way it is. we will pay a steep price for all of these trades down the road. It will come back and bite us in the ass again. Let me remind everyone once again of the 2000 season. This all seems eerily familiar. Coming off a playoff season we added a bunch of free agents....remember we won a playoff game in 99 and then added a bunch of free agents and we didnt make the playoffs. Fast forward to now. Won a playoff game and added a bunch of free agents and look where we are now. Too damn similar. __________________ The future is obviously right now!

10-11-2006, 08:03 AM	#5
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy What the big deal? If we aquired TJ for insurance, can we not deal him if he is now not needed? Why are we not feeling good about Portis returning early? Have we lost something? __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-11-2006, 08:39 AM	#8
SlabHurta Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 21	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy I'm also asking why we haven't been using him in perfect situations to use him. In these pivotal points in the game, we have stuck with someone else and they weren't able to get the first down. Duckett 9 time out of 10 was able to pick up these short conversions and it makes me wonder why we have him at all?

10-11-2006, 10:07 AM	#9
Southpaw The Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: So. MD Age: 47 Posts: 1,319	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy On the John Riggins show yesterday, I heard that Duckett wants to stick around, even though he's been inactive the last few weeks. My theory is that the Washington front office thinks Betts will leave after this season, so they have pretty much assured Duckett that he'll be the #2 tailback next season. Like I said, it's just my theory, but why else would a potentially #1 running back be content with being inactive, week after week?

10-11-2006, 08:48 AM	#10
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy If it's about the depth chart as Coach Gibbs explained, then deactivate James Thrash and get Duckett in there. I've got a lot of questions for Coach Gibbs and I'm getting tired of the same lame explanation he has given. "We the coaching, should have prepared better, or nothing seemed to go our way. Of course it's not going your way, when every time he mentions how hard it is to play in the Meadowlands and then calls plays that did'nt stretch the field nor did I see any three to four receiver sets. It seemed Gibbs played right into the strengths of the Giants and away from the strengths of what won the game last week. Throw the fuckin' ball to Moss and let him do his thing. Damn is it that hard? __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

10-11-2006, 09:09 AM	#11
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy This does seem like the one area where it's hard to argue that the FO has "a master plan that we should all wait patiently for". Giving away picks is going to hurt us down the road, especially since it is doubtful we will be able to recoup picks on many of these players.

10-11-2006, 10:32 AM	#12
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy yeah, I heard he was content also. but wasn't he getting frustrated in ATL, being #2? what makes washington any different? more money?

10-11-2006, 10:52 AM	#14
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy Maybe we are getting a little to worked up by everything the coaching staff does lately. MAYBE, we are not privy to all that goes on in Redskin park. Betts, while a reasonable back up, has not proven to be able to carry the load. This is especially true if Betts was banged up as already stated. I love the Rock, but he ain't first string, or a reasonable facimilie. I have no problem with the team taking Duckett as an insurance poilicy, as that is what insurance is for. Additionally, they can probably recoup their pick before the draft, if they so choose. I would really like to see him in the lineup so we don't throw on 3rd and 1. It's not time to stroke on everthing as Joe and company will right the ship __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-11-2006, 11:56 AM	#15
Oakland Red Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oakland, Calif. Posts: 268	Re: T.J. Duckett Conspiracy It seems like everything is judged pretty much based on what happened last Sunday by a lot of people. Things go bad, you have to trash the quarterback. Or if he has some cache built up, trash the coaches, or the player acquistion strategy. Unless you win, then it's all cool. A roller coaster is fun once in awhile, but it's tough to live on one. Teams can be at different stages in my view - stages in their readiness to make a Super Bowl run. The Redskins have a lot of the ingredients ready and almost baked to make a Super Bowl run. So the focus has not been on the draft but on adding the veterans we need to finish the puzzle. The confusion I think exists about all this is conflating the years Snyder was running the team without Gibbs with the years since Gibbs has arrived. These are two different eras in my view. Snyder of course wanted to get all the flashy names like Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith and LaVar Arrington. He wanted to release players without the head coach knowing, so that the head coach would find out from players in team meetings that someone was cut. He wanted to come into the locker room after games, close the door and give the head coach a humiliating tongue lashing. All those terrible years are gone, and Gibbs arrived, and he has been making the best of the situation, bringing order, developing the team that he inherited, taking the best of who was already here, and figuring on the best strategy to go from that point. To my mind, we have been getting better overall every year since he arrived. Things are moving along well in the big picture. Mistakes have been made, and right now releasing Walt Harris could be one of the biggest ones. It seems like this year is not the year for us to make the Super Bowl run, but hopefully we will get the engines running very well before the season is out. And the fact is that even in this much maligned season, we have already had some special moments, particularly against the Jaguars. "Patience is the only strength that a man needs."

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