T.J. Duckett Conspiracy

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Just a side-step, not backward. Winning will quiet the mass's, quell the hysteria, and slake the bloodlust of even the most determined hater.

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Originally Posted by RiggoRules

I think TJ for a 3rd rounder was a steal. We have needed a bruising, between the tackles and short yardage back for a while. But I don't get why we aren't using him.

As far as the 4th and 1 against the Giants, where we should have used him was on the 3rd and 1.

I disagree. I like Duckett but a 3rd rounder is a steep price for an insurance policy. Right now given the choice i would go w/ portis on short yardage as opposed to anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Oakland Red

It seems like everything is judged pretty much based on what happened last Sunday by a lot of people. Things go bad, you have to trash the quarterback. Or if he has some cache built up, trash the coaches, or the player acquistion strategy. Unless you win, then it's all cool. A roller coaster is fun once in awhile, but it's tough to live on one.

Teams can be at different stages in my view - stages in their readiness to make a Super Bowl run. The Redskins have a lot of the ingredients ready and almost baked to make a Super Bowl run. So the focus has not been on the draft but on adding the veterans we need to finish the puzzle.

The confusion I think exists about all this is conflating the years Snyder was running the team without Gibbs with the years since Gibbs has arrived. These are two different eras in my view. Snyder of course wanted to get all the flashy names like Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith and LaVar Arrington. He wanted to release players without the head coach knowing, so that the head coach would find out from players in team meetings that someone was cut. He wanted to come into the locker room after games, close the door and give the head coach a humiliating tongue lashing.

All those terrible years are gone, and Gibbs arrived, and he has been making the best of the situation, bringing order, developing the team that he inherited, taking the best of who was already here, and figuring on the best strategy to go from that point.

To my mind, we have been getting better overall every year since he arrived. Things are moving along well in the big picture. Mistakes have been made, and right now releasing Walt Harris could be one of the biggest ones. It seems like this year is not the year for us to make the Super Bowl run, but hopefully we will get the engines running very well before the season is out.

And the fact is that even in this much maligned season, we have already had some special moments, particularly against the Jaguars.

"Patience is the only strength that a man needs."

I see where you are coming from and do see alot of that going on but...

I try not to put too much into one game, so I try to look at trends and improvement. We started the year w/ SB hopes. I think every fan and player will admit that. We are 5 games into the season and to be so inconsistent its frustrating. Every team is going to have a bad day or two, that's expected. To have 2-3 bad games out of 5 tells alot SO FAR, about this team. Can they turn it around, sure. But they really haven't done much this season to warrant us to think they can.

So yeah after a loss, it seems like alot of people want to change the whole team around, but looking at trends i think we can draw some conclusions so far:

Good teams battle good teams on the road, we've folded
Portis is a top 5 back
We have offensive talent

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Originally Posted by redsk1

I see where you are coming from and do see alot of that going on but...

I try not to put too much into one game, so I try to look at trends and improvement. We started the year w/ SB hopes. I think every fan and player will admit that. We are 5 games into the season and to be so inconsistent its frustrating. Every team is going to have a bad day or two, that's expected. To have 2-3 bad games out of 5 tells alot SO FAR, about this team. Can they turn it around, sure. But they really haven't done much this season to warrant us to think they can.

So yeah after a loss, it seems like alot of people want to change the whole team around, but looking at trends i think we can draw some conclusions so far:

Good teams battle good teams on the road, we've folded
Portis is a top 5 back
We have offensive talent

Our defensive additions aren't helping yet
We need secondary help or SS back
Without a Ravens-like defense we need our QB to make some plays

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it really sucks for duckett though.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

not playing TJ on short yardage situations proves yet again that the Redskins are one of the worst run teams in the league...who but us gives away draft picks for people with no market value or that we don't plan to use? Gibbs needs to understand that the days of stockpiling talent on the roster are gone...moreover, we need TJ...the man gets the tough yards...Riggs anyone??

Listening to the Redskins report last weekend Sonny Jurgensen made mention of the fact the Redskins signed Duckett to keep Philadelphia from getting him because it was believed they had some interest. I would not say Duckett has no market value, he would draw some interest on the market. The whole Duckett ordeal has been a complete mystery to me.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by irish

This team gives away draft picks like Xmas presents, it amazing. If memory serves I think the skins only have something like 1 pick in next year's draft. How this builds the team for the future (as JG said he was going to do whe he was re-hired) I'm not really sure. I know of no perennially successful teams that abandon the draft like the redskins do. Maybe that's why the redskins have not been very successful since 1992.

Of our twenty two starters on both offense and defense, only five are our very own draft choices. Samuels, Jansen and Dockery on the OL, Rogers, and Taylor in the defensive secondary. Is this really the way you want to build a football team?

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Of our twenty two starters on both offense and defense, only five are our very own draft choices. Samuels, Jansen and Dockery on the OL, Rogers, and Taylor in the defensive secondary. Is this really the way you want to build a football team?

You're forgetting a few. Cooley, Marshall, and Sellers.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You're forgetting a few. Cooley, Marshall, and Sellers.

Yeah Matty I forgot about Cooley, and wasn't sure about Marshall or Sellers being DC's.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You're forgetting a few. Cooley, Marshall, and Sellers.

Just checked on both Sellers, and Marshall. We signed Sellers as an UFA in 98 and Marshall as a FA in 2001. I would like to see a little more home grown talent making up the core of our roster as opposed to FA's; so that's the main reason why I have for the most part disagreed with the trading away of DC's. Every year here we seem to always be in the "win now" mode which becomes a breeding ground for FA's. It's beginning to remind me of the George Allen era when "The Future Is Now" slogan was the order of the day.

Oh, and speaking of Sellers, he did have a short stint with Cleveland, and the Canadian league before coming back to the NFL and the Redskins after working out some of his personal problems.

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Of our twenty two starters on both offense and defense, only five are our very own draft choices. Samuels, Jansen and Dockery on the OL, Rogers, and Taylor in the defensive secondary. Is this really the way you want to build a football team?

No its not. All of the recently successful teams keep their draft picks and deveolp their own young hungry player that play hard so they can get a big payday. The skins give away draft picks and sign older free agents that appear to come here looking for a payday after a good contract year with another team. The results of both approaches speak for themselves.

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ARGH. Guys, it's NOT 2000 ANYMORE. How many times do we have to say that?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I only use this quote when it's really appropriate, but it feels like I'm taking crazy pills.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by irish

No its not. All of the recently successful teams keep their draft picks and deveolp their own young hungry player that play hard so they can get a big payday. The skins give away draft picks and sign older free agents that appear to come here looking for a payday after a good contract year with another team. The results of both approaches speak for themselves.

My sentiments exactly. However only in the world of professional sports do you get paid before you work. In the real world I wonder how many employers would go bankrupt using that formula. I have never in my life had a job where I got paid before I worked. I have never had to wonder how teams like Philadelphia and other always wind up with a host of young talent year after year. Thed don't trade all their future away for players just looking for a stellar bonus and payday. Teams that build that way will always be in contention year after year.

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those teams dont have a hall of famer coaching them. always keep that in your mind. i think a team like Philly took a superior quarterback in mcnabb, and put role players around him. other than Westbrook, their so called skill players suck. the key to any successful team is line play

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

those teams dont have a hall of famer coaching them. always keep that in your mind. i think a team like Philly took a superior quarterback in mcnabb, and put role players around him. other than Westbrook, their so called skill players suck. the key to any successful team is line play

We think the point attempting to be made here is the fact that their players are their own, and they repeat the process year after year. Philly has owned the NFC east for the last five years or so with last year being the exception, and that was because McNabb was out injured. When you consider what Philadelphia has spent on FA's the last five years compared to the Redskins, and where they have finished in the standinds each year is night and day. Having a Hall of Fame coach or expensive payroll does not guarantee either winning or success, if that were the case we would be unbeatable. We have witnesed first hand that you do not always get what you pay for