What Is Wrong With The Offense?

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

So the problem is loyalty to Brunell?

Partly. Its also hiring people to do a job and not letting them do it. Its paying players before they play (instead of the other way around), its giving away draft picks. Its not any one of these by itself but taken in toto its created the current situation.

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Originally Posted by irish

Partly. Its also hiring people to do a job and not letting them do it. Its paying players before they play (instead of the other way around), its giving away draft picks. Its not any one of these by itself but taken in toto its created the current situation.

did you say toto? Man I loved Toto. Awesome 80s rock!

As for everything else I guess we'll agree to disagree

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

did you say toto? Man I loved Toto. Awesome 80s rock!

As for everything else I guess we'll agree to disagree

You never heard of the words 'in toto' for "in summary'?

I have no problems with disagreeing but I dont know what you could disagree with as everything I said is unfortunately true.

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Originally Posted by irish

You never heard of the words 'in toto' for "in summary'?

I have no problems with disagreeing but I dont know what you could disagree with as everything I said is unfortunately true.

No I guess I never have. As for the rest I think it's a huge leap to assume that he's not letting people do their job. I have no idea what you mean by paying people before they play. And as for the draft picks some say oh all we have is Rogers, McIntosh, Cooley, Taylor and Campbell. I say if using draft picks to get young players hitting their prime like Lloyd (wish he'd play more though. Where you at 85? Ocho Cinco!), Randle El and Portis then that's fine by me.

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

No I guess I never have. As for the rest I think it's a huge leap to assume that he's not letting people do their job. I have no idea what you mean by paying people before they play. And as for the draft picks some say oh all we have is Rogers, McIntosh, Cooley, Taylor and Campbell. I say if using draft picks to get young players hitting their prime like Lloyd (wish he'd play more though. Where you at 85? Ocho Cinco!), Randle El and Portis then that's fine by me.

Gibbs himself admitted in yesterdays presser that when the O gets to the opponents 35 he starts getting involved in the playcalling and talks to saunders. That could explain some of the confusion when the O got near the 35 on Sunday. Also the coach brought in last year to recommend what plays to challenge was constantly over-ruled or ignored by Gibbs (according to media sources I've heard)

This team gives players big contracts before they have ever done anything for the team. They always need players to play up to their contract instead of finding players that outplay their contract.

The drafted players have been ok (St has been very good). As for Campbell I dont know how anyone could tell if he has been good or not since he does not play and in addition we spent 3 picks to get him.

Portis was worth giving the picks away for (I guess) but somehow denver can draft portis type RBs and not have to pay them a ton of $ and mortgage the future in the process. The other players mentioned are good but I'm just not sure they are worth what was given.

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Originally Posted by irish

Gibbs himself admitted in yesterdays presser that when the O gets to the opponents 35 he starts getting involved in the playcalling and talks to saunders. That could explain some of the confusion when the O got near the 35 on Sunday. Also the coach brought in last year to recommend what plays to challenge was constantly over-ruled or ignored by Gibbs (according to media sources I've heard)

This team gives players big contracts before they have ever done anything for the team. They always need players to play up to their contract instead of finding players that outplay their contract.

The drafted players have been ok (St has been very good). As for Campbell I dont know how anyone could tell if he has been good or not since he does not play and in addition we spent 3 picks to get him.

Portis was worth giving the picks away for (I guess) but somehow denver can draft portis type RBs and not have to pay them a ton of $ and mortgage the future in the process. The other players mentioned are good but I'm just not sure they are worth what was given.

From the day Saunders joined he knew that Gibbs would be involved. He has to be and should be. That doesn't mean he's not letting Saunders do his job. I'm not going to touch the play before you pay argument because I really don't understand what your point is there. Campbell is an unknown, but if you choose to look at a positive (which apparently almost no one here does) is that in 2007 we'll have a starting QB who has had the benefit of learning at the NFL level for two years as opposed to a rookie thrown into the fire.

Maybe I'll start a thread on the myth of the Denver running back. Portis has more than proven he's not a Denver system back and is far better than anything they have there.

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

From the day Saunders joined he knew that Gibbs would be involved. He has to be and should be. That doesn't mean he's not letting Saunders do his job. I'm not going to touch the play before you pay argument because I really don't understand what your point is there. Campbell is an unknown, but if you choose to look at a positive (which apparently almost no one here does) is that in 2007 we'll have a starting QB who has had the benefit of learning at the NFL level for two years as opposed to a rookie thrown into the fire.

Maybe I'll start a thread on the myth of the Denver running back. Portis has more than proven he's not a Denver system back and is far better than anything they have there.

I'm just wondering how you know AS knew JG would be involved when Gibbs himself said he was turning the O over to AS and it seems AS has total control until the team hits the 35. I understand and expect Gibbs to make the go/no go call on 4th down but I dont understand why a team would hire people and not let them do their job.

I guess the best example I can give of pay before play is Adam Archelletta. He was decent in StL but not worth what this team is paying him.

I am wondering how you know JC will be the starter in 2007. I'm not sure he will be.

CP has shown he is not dependent in the denver system but my point is why cant the redskins find a draft these guys?