What Is Wrong With The Offense?

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

From the day Saunders joined he knew that Gibbs would be involved. He has to be and should be. That doesn't mean he's not letting Saunders do his job. I'm not going to touch the play before you pay argument because I really don't understand what your point is there. Campbell is an unknown, but if you choose to look at a positive (which apparently almost no one here does) is that in 2007 we'll have a starting QB who has had the benefit of learning at the NFL level for two years as opposed to a rookie thrown into the fire.

Maybe I'll start a thread on the myth of the Denver running back. Portis has more than proven he's not a Denver system back and is far better than anything they have there.

I'm just wondering how you know AS knew JG would be involved when Gibbs himself said he was turning the O over to AS and it seems AS has total control until the team hits the 35. I understand and expect Gibbs to make the go/no go call on 4th down but I dont understand why a team would hire people and not let them do their job.

I guess the best example I can give of pay before play is Adam Archelletta. He was decent in StL but not worth what this team is paying him.

I am wondering how you know JC will be the starter in 2007. I'm not sure he will be.

CP has shown he is not dependent in the denver system but my point is why cant the redskins find a draft these guys?

[REDSKIN1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So you think JC would be an upgrade. Based on what? What little we've seen in a few preseason games? Damn, you must be a scout or something to know that he would be in "Pro Bowl form" if he played.

Please spare me with your armchair knowledge. JC an instant Pro Bowler? Don't make me laugh. Everyone is a freaking talent scout nowadays. Please.

I guess our coaching staff is just holding this Pro Bowler in waiting back. I guess they just don't understand talent otherwise why would this incrediblely talented QB not be in the lineup if he is indeed ready for prime time and ready for the Pro Bowl.

Your thoughts on JC are based totally on speculation and what you think, vs. what the coaches know.

Ok Ok calm down. If you would took time to read my post correctly Joe, oh, I mean Mattyk72. lol You would have realized that I was talking about Mark coming of the bench in a game and being in pro bowl form. Geez

[Daseal]

So you think JC would be an upgrade. Based on what? What little we've seen in a few preseason games? Damn, you must be a scout or something to know that he would be in "Pro Bowl form" if he played.

Please spare me with your armchair knowledge. JC an instant Pro Bowler? Don't make me laugh. Everyone is a freaking talent scout nowadays. Please.

I guess our coaching staff is just holding this Pro Bowler in waiting back. I guess they just don't understand talent otherwise why would this incrediblely talented QB not be in the lineup if he is indeed ready for prime time and ready for the Pro Bowl.

Your thoughts on JC are based totally on speculation and what you think, vs. what the coaches know.

Matty, as usual you're blowing this out of proportion. I see no where that he says Campbell is a Pro Bowl calibre quarterback. Maybe one day he will be, but that is yet to be seen. Answer me this: have we won games BECAUSE of Mark Brunell since he's been here? Sure, he doesn't throw picks, he also throws the ball away 50% of the time on 3rd down. I don't feel Brunell is an adequate quarterback to win games. If we go down by 14 points in the first quarter my hopes for a comeback are slim to none. Yes, Brunell played, for stretches, great last year. I have yet to see him play great this year.

While Campbell is an unknown, I'd rather lose with a young QB with promise learning, than an old QB losing it and on the decline. Campbell can make teams at least worry about the down field pass, especially with the speed we have to WR (maybe even RB, I'd love to see Portis run something deep!) Which will open up the offense. He'll certainly make a lot more mistakes, no one's doubting that.

That said, people such as Pat Kirwan (NFL Radio) mentioned before the season even started that he wasn't high on the Redskins namely because of Mark Brunell and thought that the skins wouldn't lose anything by starting Campbell, maybe even gain something. So there's a GM giving you that info. It's no secret that Gibbs has hardons for veterans, and obviously has trouble letting go when the time is right.

This is turning into "Mark Brunell didn't lose the Giants game for us." which is certainly true. However, he also did nothing to win it. It's time for the future, I simply don't think Mark Brunell can make teams respect him. If you can get any pressure with your front four, our offense is dead.

I'm just wondering how you know AS knew JG would be involved when Gibbs himself said he was turning the O over to AS and it seems AS has total control until the team hits the 35. I understand and expect Gibbs to make the go/no go call on 4th down but I dont understand why a team would hire people and not let them do their job.

Most head coaches in the NFL have large egos. I don't think Gibbs is any different. They can't stand not being in "control".

[irish]

Gibbs himself hired AS to take control of the O. If JG did not want to be in control why hire AS in the 1st place?

[SmootSmack]

Doesn't anyone else here find it ironic that people get all excited when talking about Gibbs' loyalty to the Redskins organization ("Oh he said he could never coach another team. He's not like Parcells. He's awesome!") yet at the same time bitch and moan when he shows loyalty to his players?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

sometimes I think joe's loyalty gets in the way of winning and/or progress.

[REDSKIN1]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Doesn't anyone else here find it ironic that people get all excited when talking about Gibbs' loyalty to the Redskins organization ("Oh he said he could never coach another team. He's not like Parcells. He's awesome!") yet at the same time bitch and moan when he shows loyalty to his players?

Nobody' questioning Gibb's loyalty to the team or to his players. I just feel like Mark needs to produce now or move over, so at least we can see if JC is the real deal. Who knows, we may find out that JC can't produce either. What ever the case, if you take a look around the NFL all of the successful teams have proven QB's. You have to have a solid foundation to build on, and the QB position has to be the most stable and unchanged. Even if Mark gets us to the playoffs, and thats a big IF. What next? He hasn't got 10 more years in him.


Isn't it time for Jason Campbell?

[SmootSmack]

I think Campbell has shown that he could potentially be our best QB in decades. But I don't think it means it's time

If it will get people to stop putting the blame on Brunell for everything that goes wrong with the team than sure put him Campbell in. It'll be nice to have a new QB to blame

[Daseal]

Kinda like how we were supposed to shut up and go away about the poor pre-season, Tafkas?

[SmootSmack]

All I'm saying is everything doesn't go back to the QB. It's not that simple.

[#56fanatic]

our offense is built to be smash mouth, run down your throat, offense. this finess crap doesn't fit our line. They said it last year, let us attack the D-line, let us run it right at them. Like they did the last 6 games last year. Portis ran his ass off behind that O-Line. to not run on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 was a slap in their face. I think sometimes Al tries to get a little to fancy with the plays. We just need to line up and let them win the game in the trenches. When they start playing that 8th man at the line, that is when we hit them with some play actions deep or over the middle.

Our O-line looked very unmotivated against the Giants. I think that had to do with the calls. Plus, when teams KNOW to HAVE to pass, they pin their ears back and go after the QB. with two good pass rushers able to just rush the passer, it makes for a long day if you are a QB.

Redskin football isn't this crap we did Sunday, its what we did the last part of the year. Plus, with our O going 3 and out so many damn times, the D is on the field a lot more than last year. The D will play better, be fresher if they are on the sidelines for a while to catch their wind.
but what do I know!

[irish]

Originally Posted by REDSKIN1

Nobody' questioning Gibb's loyalty to the team or to his players. I just feel like Mark needs to produce now or move over, so at least we can see if JC is the real deal. Who knows, we may find out that JC can't produce either. What ever the case, if you take a look around the NFL all of the successful teams have proven QB's. You have to have a solid foundation to build on, and the QB position has to be the most stable and unchanged. Even if Mark gets us to the playoffs, and thats a big IF. What next? He hasn't got 10 more years in him.


Isn't it time for Jason Campbell?

Who cares about loyality. People are paid to be loyal in pro sports today. I (and I think most fans as well) only care about winning and if loyality or whatever one wants to call it gets in the way of winning than its not doing anyone any good.

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

All I'm saying is everything doesn't go back to the QB. It's not that simple.

Since you dont agree with the pieces I think it goes back to, what do you think it goes back to?

[MTK]

My bad I misread the post.

Either way, the MB bashing after every loss is beyond old. I'm not going to even bother anymore.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

Since you dont agree with the pieces I think it goes back to, what do you think it goes back to?

Many things. Here are a few:

-We miss Springs and Prioleau a lot
-I like the depth we added at WR with Lloyd and El, but I thought then and think now someone like Jurevicius would have fit in better. Ideally our top 3 would have been Moss, El, and Vicius
-Chris Samuels and Dockery are no comparison at all to Jacoby/Lachey and Grimm. Things we may have thought we could do just like the first time around we can't
-Brunell has been inconsistent (yeah I said it. He doesn't suck like so many want to believe but he needs to be more consistent. Same could be said for the whole team)
-Carter hasn't been the playmaker I thought he would be
-Salavea, already an overachiever, has not been healthy
-We played two division opponents on the road. Not an excuse but those are not easy games ever