What Is Wrong With The Offense?

[Daseal]

Tafkas, very few of us are blaming all of the skins problems on Brunell, but I would easily put him in the top 3.

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Many things. Here are a few:

-We miss Springs and Prioleau a lot
-I like the depth we added at WR with Lloyd and El, but I thought then and think now someone like Jurevicius would have fit in better. Ideally our top 3 would have been Moss, El, and Vicius
-Chris Samuels and Dockery are no comparison at all to Jacoby/Lachey and Grimm. Things we may have thought we could do just like the first time around we can't
-Brunell has been inconsistent (yeah I said it. He doesn't suck like so many want to believe but he needs to be more consistent. Same could be said for the whole team)
-Carter hasn't been the playmaker I thought he would be
-Salavea, already an overachiever, has not been healthy
-We played two division opponents on the road. Not an excuse but those are not easy games ever

I agree with all your points but they are problems for this year and IMO are symptoms of the bigger organizational problems I highlighted.

I especially agree with Vicious. I really wanted the skins to sign him but knew they wouldnt because he was not sexy enough for this organization. Randal El is another example of my pay before play problem. He had 1 decent year with Pgh (mostly as a trick play man) and therew a nice TD pass in the Super Bowl but was no way worth the $ the skins gave him.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by railcon56

When Eli hit 2 deep passes...I was asking myself....Why Can't we ever take shots like that...... The Skins are 10 times as talented as the Gimps.... What's the weak link... answer that question?

Those passes looked like punts.

They both should have been picked off!

[BrunellMVP?]

exactly who would be intercepting those passes? Rogers? Ha, not even worth a response. i love taylor but he can't be everywhere (plus he's been beat a few times-which is going to happen).

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by irish

It is totally time for MB to move on but for some reason (I suspect because they are both very religious) Gibbs likes him. ...

That must be the reason he kept Riggins and Theismann in the lineup after they were passed it... because they were so religious. (I "totally suspect" you're wrong.) There is absolutely nothing in Gibbs' track record to indicate favoritism toward "religious" players.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

That must be the reason he kept Riggins and Theismann in the lineup after they were passed it... because they were so religious. (I "totally suspect" you're wrong.) There is absolutely nothing in Gibbs' track record to indicate favoritism toward "religious" players.

I must add that's a totally ridiculous accusation.

[Daseal]

While I don't think the relgious aspect alone leads to Gibbs' favortism of Brunell, I think it's a factor. Gibbs and Brunell are very close to each other. They attend church together every Sunday, I've heard have dinner together often (could be a business thing) they have a lot in common, and I don't see Gibbs being able to sit down his boy (who he did spend a lot of money and draft pick on) unless he starts playing like he did his first season here.

[RiggoRules]

You know what, this chatter about Gibbs making personnel decisions based on church is nothing other than religious bigotry pure and simple. And by the way, it has been a while since I've darkened a church door, so I'm not taking it as an attack on my faith.

But I do respect those who have faith as an important part of their life. These attacks are in my book no different than dropping the N bomb. Like every other form of bigotry, it comes from nothing other than ignorance and stupidity pure and simple.

For you rocket scientists who think religion impacts Gibbs personnel decisions, you have to come up with some real interesting way to explain why in the hell Gibbs flew to Kansas to talk Riggo into coming back to play for him.

This talk -- not just on this board, but elsewhere -- is stupid and offensive.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

You know what, this chatter about Gibbs making personnel decisions based on church is nothing other than religious bigotry pure and simple. And by the way, it has been a while since I've darkened a church door, so I'm not taking it as an attack on my faith.

But I do respect those who have faith as an important part of their life. These attacks are in my book no different than dropping the N bomb. Like every other form of bigotry, it comes from nothing other than ignorance and stupidity pure and simple.

For you rocket scientists who think religion impacts Gibbs personnel decisions, you have to come up with some real interesting way to explain why in the hell Gibbs flew to Kansas to talk Riggo into coming back to play for him.

This talk -- not just on this board, but elsewhere -- is stupid and offensive.

Stupid...maybe. Bigotry...no.

I certainly didn't read Daseal's post as an attack on religion, only that their personal bond (in this case via a shared faith) may be clouding Gibbs decision to play or not to play Brunell. That is a far cry from religious intolerance in my book. No where did I see an attack on religion itself.

Personally, I do NOT believe their common faith impacts Gibbs personnel decisions, but the linkage is obvious enough that I can see why some would question this.

[MTK]

A personal relationship and bond is one thing, but saying that Gibbs favors him simply because of religion is garbage.

The man didn't win as many games as he has by playing favorites based on who goes to church with him.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

My problem with gibbs he to loyal to a qb that never won anything for him. 2004 was so painful to watch and take. So were the playoffs games last year and especially most of this year. The redskins will never win a championship with Brunell and most likely won't make the playoffs again with him. He not a big game Qb he has had some moment but he cant take the team on his back when we need him to. Never gave Ramsey a fair shot which is fine but geez how many shot does Brunell get. We trade 3 or 4 picks to get campbell and who knows how good he is, i dont think he great but hey rather take my chance with a younger guy since most likely were not going anywhere.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

A personal relationship and bond is one thing, but saying that Gibbs favors him simply because of religion is garbage.

The man didn't win as many games as he has by playing favorites based on who goes to church with him.

Yeah of course religion is not the sole factor, but because of the way Gibbs is religiously, the fact it was his call to spend boatloads of money on Brunell, and how Gibbs is known to stick with his QB even in bad times all adds to it. I think claiming religion is the sole reason is incorrect, but considering it a piece of the puzzle may not be a huge stretch considering the facts above.

I mean look at it this way, there is no denying that if there was a QB on our roster, 100% equal to Brunell in skill, Gibbs would go with Brunell because of their personal relationship, which also occurs in church. The main question is, by going to the same church, have they both developed a closer bond? I would think so. Now does this bond influence his choice of who to put as starter to some extent? Perhaps, we don't know.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Yeah of course religion is not the sole factor, but because of the way Gibbs is religiously, the fact it was his call to spend boatloads of money on Brunell, and how Gibbs is known to stick with his QB even in bad times all adds to it. I think claiming religion is the sole reason is incorrect, but considering it a piece of the puzzle may not be a huge stretch considering the facts above.

I mean look at it this way, there is no denying that if there was a QB on our roster, 100% equal to Brunell in skill, Gibbs would go with Brunell because of their personal relationship, which also occurs in church. The main question is, by going to the same church, have they both developed a closer bond? I would think so. Now does this bond influence his choice of who to put as starter to some extent? Perhaps, we don't know.

Ramsey and Campbell are also religious people. When he was here Ramsey and Brunell spent a lot of time together. What if, and I don't know if it's the case or not, Gibbs went to church with all his QBs? Would this religion argument still hold water?

[illdefined]

yikes. can we have a discussion about Gibbs not being or involving God at all?

[Lady Brave]

Coach Gibbs has said himself that he prays about major decisions he has to make. I don't think he literally prays about who needs to be in what position, but I do think he is the type of man who prays for wisdom in all areas of his life and career.