The Season Is Over

[The Zimmermans]

Yeah, I wish Snyder had some sort of football knowledge. Why are all of our free agent signings from the worst defenses in the past 5 years, even marcus washington came from the COLTS (even though he turned out great) they were a horrid defense. It's one thing to sign free agents, it's another to sign free agents that came from bad systems.

Why sign a slow archuleta when you already have a slow taylor back there?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Everyone knows that it is time to rebuild. We had a promising defense last year, and anyone in their right mind should realize that it is easier to improve your strengths than your weaknesses. Our concern should've been maintaining and improving a solid defense. A solid defense provides for more possessions and more opportunities to improve a work in progress offense. Too bad we let our young talent leave (Arrington, Clark, Pierce), and brought in old stubborn free agents who have lost under poor defensive schemes for years (Carter, Rumph, Archuleta, and now vincent....all slow players) Last year was very exciting, and made me a happier person overall, however, it represented the death of us this year. I dunno if i can handle watching brunell for another game, imagine how effective our running game could be with any other QB.

As long as Dan Snyder holds this power, we will never win a superbowl

Yep. I've said even during the good defensive years that the D needed an overhaul. Last year, the Cowboys were perfect examples. They spent their two first round draft choices on the front seven, with Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears, then went out and selected Chris Canty (DE, UVa) in the 4th round just to be sure.

It all starts up front, for the offense and defense. Snyderatto haven't learned that yet, and I'm not sure they ever will.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Snyder will never hire a GM because he's afraid of being ripped off, that's why he will always stay in the mix of decision making. The bottom line, he dosen't trust anyone.

Maybe you'll answer my question. Since everyone else who says we need a GM can't or won't answer my question. Give me some names of some possible GMs. And if we hire said GM, then what is the front office structure? Is Vinny gone? Is Gibbs no longer President? What say does Gibbs, assuming under your scenario he's still a part of the organization, have in player personnel? What about director of scouting Louis Riddick, what happens to him? What about Dan Snyder what does he do? Write the checks and keep his mouth shut?

[Butche106]

Defense wins games and get you in the playoffs. The die was cast when Gibbs didn't hold guys accountable in the pre-season. He allowed the players to feel ok about loosing. All fans heard it's not the regulor season, yet. We will not show our plays on defense or offense until the regulor season. They have been in shock since the 1st Lost to the Vikings. The coaches had been reading the press clippings since they got the free agents they wanted. 9-7 will not make the playoffs, but it will keep Brunell on the field. Al Saunders is not convince that Campbell is the guy since he arrive and Campbell will most likely end up playing somewhere else in 2 years.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Butche106

Defense wins games and get you in the playoffs. The die was cast when Gibbs didn't hold guys accountable in the pre-season. He allowed the players to feel ok about loosing. All fans heard it's not the regulor season, yet. We will not show our plays on defense or offense until the regulor season. They have been in shock since the 1st Lost to the Vikings. The coaches had been reading the press clippings since they got the free agents they wanted. 9-7 will not make the playoffs, but it will keep Brunell on the field. Al Saunders is not convince that Campbell is the guy since he arrive and Campbell will most likely end up playing somewhere else in 2 years.

I wouldn't make the assumption that what he's telling the press is the same thing he's telling the players. I really really don't think he told them it was ok to feel fine about losing.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Butche106

Defense wins games and get you in the playoffs. The die was cast when Gibbs didn't hold guys accountable in the pre-season. He allowed the players to feel ok about loosing. All fans heard it's not the regulor season, yet. We will not show our plays on defense or offense until the regulor season. They have been in shock since the 1st Lost to the Vikings. The coaches had been reading the press clippings since they got the free agents they wanted. 9-7 will not make the playoffs, but it will keep Brunell on the field. Al Saunders is not convince that Campbell is the guy since he arrive and Campbell will most likely end up playing somewhere else in 2 years.

grim. but hard to disagree with you. welcome to the board.

[70Chip]

D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough . . . the tough get going. Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!! [Bluto runs out of the room alone; then returns] What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons. But that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: LET'S DO IT!

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Butche106

Defense wins games and get you in the playoffs. The die was cast when Gibbs didn't hold guys accountable in the pre-season. He allowed the players to feel ok about loosing. All fans heard it's not the regulor season, yet. We will not show our plays on defense or offense until the regulor season. They have been in shock since the 1st Lost to the Vikings. The coaches had been reading the press clippings since they got the free agents they wanted. 9-7 will not make the playoffs, but it will keep Brunell on the field. Al Saunders is not convince that Campbell is the guy since he arrive and Campbell will most likely end up playing somewhere else in 2 years.

There's no way Campbell is playing somewhere else in 2 years, unless of course he turns out to be another Ryan Leaf type QB. But we won't find that out until next year.

I doubt Gibbs ever "allowed the players to feel ok about losing". They have all been there, done that as far as the preseason goes. They know what the goals are, and the first priority is not to win the games, but to get a feel for talent for when cuts must be made, make sure the guys learn to play as a team and properly execute the plays called on both sides of the ball. If you happen to win, great. If not, it's not the end of the world because it doesn't count.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough . . . the tough get going. Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!! [Bluto runs out of the room alone; then returns] What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons. But that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: LET'S DO IT!

Damn you 70Chip.....you beat me to it, however I bothered to change the names and details to give it a more Redskins feel, here:http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post231461

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Maybe you'll answer my question. Since everyone else who says we need a GM can't or won't answer my question. Give me some names of some possible GMs. And if we hire said GM, then what is the front office structure? Is Vinny gone? Is Gibbs no longer President? What say does Gibbs, assuming under your scenario he's still a part of the organization, have in player personnel? What about director of scouting Louis Riddick, what happens to him? What about Dan Snyder what does he do? Write the checks and keep his mouth shut?

I can't honestly say any GM names come to mind at the present who would want to work for Snyder, but Ron Wolfe is one I wouldn't mind seeing be the GM here. There's nothing wrong with Snyder doing the same thing JKC did when he was owner, he oversaw the work og his GM Bobby Bethard during Gibbs first stretch, and let him run the team including overseeing the draft and choosing the players. Vinny should go back where Marty sent him in 2001 and Gibbs should be the head coach which position he holds at this time. It would seem to me difficult for Gibbs to come back to the game afetr having been gone for so long, and begin to instantly make personell decisions because it's not likely he would know the players around the league having been absent from the game. I have never been throughly convinced of the fact JG is of the greatest personell men, he and Bethard had their falling out's too, some of which was due to Gibbs's overwhelming loyalty to veteran players. And yes!! Snyder should just write the checks and shut the hell up.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I can't honestly say any GM names come to mind at the present who would want to work for Snyder, but Ron Wolfe is one I wouldn't mind seeing be the GM here. There's nothing wrong with Snyder doing the same thing JKC did when he was owner, he oversaw the work og his GM Bobby Bethard during Gibbs first stretch, and let him run the team including overseeing the draft and choosing the players. Vinny should go back where Marty sent him in 2001 and Gibbs should be the head coach which position he holds at this time. It would seem to me difficult for Gibbs to come back to the game afetr having been gone for so long, and begin to instantly make personell decisions because it's not likely he would know the players around the league having been absent from the game. I have never been throughly convinced of the fact JG is of the greatest personell men, he and Bethard had their falling out's too, some of which was due to Gibbs's overwhelming loyalty to veteran players. And yes!! Snyder should just write the checks and shut the hell up.

Thank you for at least putting some effort into a response, rather than the standard we need a GM. Wolf lives in Annapolis so he's alway rumored to be a possibility.

[Oakland Red]

The season is over? It's about whether the Redskins are headed in the right direction overall, and that can't be judged based on one loss to a team presumed to be terrible (so bad they almost beat the Colts).

The combination of injuries and a new offensive approach is causing us to lose some games we might have won, but is the new offensive approach going to be make us better or worse in the long run? I say better.

We need more depth in the secondary; we signed Troy Vincent, we'll address the issue as a top concern in the offseason, but we have Springs starting to play again. We will get things turned around.

We can look forward to seeing the team come together and develop this year and be primed for a Super Bowl run next season. All is not lost. We have the right head coach who I would not trade for anyone, and the right coaching staff. We have players who stick together and won't start turning on each other because our record isn't what we hoped at this point.

The SI reporter had the NFC East teams all finishing 9-7 - even this season is a possibility as far as the playoffs. I look forward to seeing the team putting the pieces of the puzzle together over the course of the rest of this season.

[Crat92]

Yeah you're right. But its so damn frustrating to have to use the phrase "next year" not even mid way through the season. HAIL from MCUSA!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Oakland Red

We need more depth in the secondary; we signed Troy Vincent, we'll address the issue as a top concern in the offseason, but we have Springs starting to play again. We will get things turned around.

it was a top priority this offseason (like kicker and punter and OL depth) and you saw how well those were addressed.

[Oakland Red]

From ARTICLE: Redskins having no luck throwing the ball long (The Virginian-Pilot - HamptonRoads.com/PilotOnline.com)


Saunders has maintained since training camp that much of this season will be a learning process. He needs to learn the players and their strengths and weaknesses. The players need to learn and become comfortable with an offense that may be foreign to what they've known.


At first, Moss balked at the notion that learning is still going on, saying that the screens and short passes and reverses are "just part of the system, and it's a matter of just going out and doing it."


But a couple of minutes later, his position had shifted.


" It's a long season, man, and all we can do is keep going out there," he said. "Regardless of what people are saying and people are thinking, it's still a new offense, and we're going to find a way to make it work for us."