Joe And Vinny Must Go.

#56fanatic · 10-23-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What has Vinny done???? He has done NOTHING! Since Dan has this money why doesn't he hire the best GM money can buy? Can you mention one mid to late round draft pick that has turned out to be any good the last 6 years? Personally I would hire Gregg Williams or Russ Grimm. The players simply don't fear the head coach with all these stupid ass penalty's. And where are the half time adjustments???? He use to be a master at this. If I see that stupid ass WR screen I'm going to throw my remote through the TV screen. 7-8 men on the line of scrimage means THROW THE FRICKIN BALL DOWN THE FRICKIN FIELD.

You cant blame Joe for the playcalls. He has handed that to Al. Al is a little stubborn, he has seen his system work and work great. he is not going to change it unless Joe tells him to change it. Joe isn't going to do that. He trusts the people he brings here, and will stay loyal to those people. As far as halftime adjustments, that is Al again. Joe is simply there to oversee everything, make 4th down calls, challenge plays ect.. that is the monster that has been created in Redskin land/.

That Guy · 10-23-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You cant blame Joe for the playcalls. He has handed that to Al. Al is a little stubborn, he has seen his system work and work great. he is not going to change it unless Joe tells him to change it. Joe isn't going to do that. He trusts the people he brings here, and will stay loyal to those people. As far as halftime adjustments, that is Al again. Joe is simply there to oversee everything, make 4th down calls, challenge plays ect.. that is the monster that has been created in Redskin land/.

again, your acting like these are hard facts. saunders has already said that gibbs intervenes and can veto plays, and he (saunders) isn't allowed to choose the players he wants to play (from the current roster).

The Zimmermans · 10-23-2006, 11:15 AM

Starting over isn't a bad idea, if we keep this Offensive line together and start over in every other area, it might not take more than a season to get things together. We are in a worse position than square one right now, we LOST to the Titans, who arent even to square one right now. We got nothing goin for us currently, starting over is the way to go. liquidate the defense and skill positions and invest in draft picks, very simple.

Pocket$ $traight · 10-23-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Starting over isn't a bad idea, if we keep this Offensive line together and start over in every other area, it might not take more than a season to get things together. We are in a worse position than square one right now, we LOST to the Titans, who arent even to square one right now. We got nothing goin for us currently, starting over is the way to go. liquidate the defense and skill positions and invest in draft picks, very simple.

Why would they blow up the offense when all they need is a QB who can throw between the numbers. Saunders said it himself that with Brunell they are limited.

The defense needs more work than an O. Just bring in some young D-line talent and another middle linebacker (possibly a legit corner) and you are good.

Doc Walker had a great point today. If they needed a good corner to keep the defense competitive, why they hell didn't they sign Ty Law?

We sign Archuletta and Carter to huge contracts when we could have had the best cover corner on the market.

Just another example of why we have the worst front office in football.

SmootSmack · 10-23-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Why would they blow up the offense when all they need is a QB who can throw between the numbers. Saunders said it himself that with Brunell they are limited.

The defense needs more work than an O. Just bring in some young D-line talent and another middle linebacker (possibly a legit corner) and you are good.

Doc Walker had a great point today. If they needed a good corner to keep the defense competitive, why they hell didn't they sign Ty Law?

We sign Archuletta and Carter to huge contracts when we could have had the best cover corner on the market.

Just another example of why we have the worst front office in football.

I don't think they were expecting Springs to be so seriously hurt and for Rogers to regress and for Wright to struggle so much either

skinsfan69 · 10-23-2006, 11:21 AM

Oh yeah. I almost forgot. Didn't Joe Gibbs once say Desmond Howard had no weakness'????? If we had a legit GM we would have kept Champ Bailey, paid him the frickin money and drafted Tatum Bell. Bell and Betts would be a nice 1-2 punch and you could pay them 1/2 the money that Portis is making and kept the 2ndary together.

That Guy · 10-23-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Oh yeah. I almost forgot. Didn't Joe Gibbs once say Desmond Howard had no weakness'????? If we had a legit GM we would have kept Champ Bailey, paid him the frickin money and drafted Tatum Bell. Bell and Betts would be a nice 1-2 punch and you could pay them 1/2 the money that Portis is making and kept the 2ndary together.

yes, and hindsight, though many people did think bailey should be paid, once that wasn't possible, the skins had to move on.

The Zimmermans · 10-23-2006, 11:24 AM

tatum bell sucks, and betts cant read blocks. Ron Dayne has had good games for the broncos, all you need to be able to do is make one cut and run straight up field on that team. We need portis badly, however, he keeps taking himself off the field. I don't wanna hear anything about him not getting enough carries when he's voluntarily on the sideline most of the game.

GhettoDogAllStars · 10-23-2006, 11:32 AM

I didn't read the whole thread because I'm lazy, so if somebody else brought this up, I apologize.

Basically, the most consistently productive franchises have long-tenured coaches. Changing the coaches every 5 years, doesn't help things -- it hurts.

It seems obvious to me: the salary cap introduces more change in the NFL from year to year. So, the teams who are best able to deal with that change (read: minimize the change) are the teams who have the best likelihood of producing.

Longtimefan · 10-23-2006, 11:38 AM

I said in a couple posts last week that changes need to be made, but those changes have to be made to the mindset of the FO. Gibbs realizes he's not going to be able to coach much longer and the idea is to win now. With that idea comes the abandonment of the draft because it dwarfts the win now syndrome. Gibbs does not have the time or patience to develop players because it's going to take more time than he has to win. I've said it before, Gibbs, Cerrato and Snyder are all lovers of the free agent route to team building and it's not goin g to work for a multitude of reasons. That's why I say the mindset of the FO must change for this team to move foreward in a positive direction.

Hog1 · 10-23-2006, 12:04 PM

The team had enough talent to go 10-6 last season and to the second game in the playoffs. the offseason moves were very positive. The result is not

VTSkins897 · 10-23-2006, 12:10 PM

put in JC.

jbcjr14 · 10-23-2006, 12:10 PM

No talent? Are you kidding me? That is NOT one of this teams problems. I am going to stop there and just hope JG rights this ship before season's end.

Longtimefan · 10-23-2006, 01:07 PM

Too much emphasis is being placed on what the team did last year. Last year is dead and gone, every year in the NFL is different. Every year there is some team that plays above and beyond expectations, and some team that does not live up to expectations, we happen to be in the latter category. There's much to be seen yet with the remainder of this season and it all does not have to do with winning and loosing. I'm more inclined to think about possible ways to improve the team and get better as opposed to just continuing to bash the team about it's poor play because that's certainly not going to make it any better. Now I know we're all frustrated (including me) but to go through the team with the constant bashing ceremony has gotten old. We've said everything negative we can possibly say, now on with the positives providing we can find any.

railcon56 · 10-23-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Too much emphasis is being placed on what the team did last year. Last year is dead and gone, every year in the NFL is different. Every year there is some team that plays above and beyond expectations, and some team that does not live up to expectations, we happen to be in the latter category. There's much to be seen yet with the remainder of this season and it all does not have to do with winning and loosing. I'm more inclined to think about possible ways to improve the team and get better as opposed to just continuing to bash the team about it's poor play because that's certainly not going to make it any better. Now I know we're all frustrated (including me) but to go through the team with the constant bashing ceremony has gotten old. We've said everything negative we can possibly say, now on with the positives providing we can find any.

And past accomplishments too.

10-23-2006, 11:15 AM	#3
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 41 Posts: 937	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. Starting over isn't a bad idea, if we keep this Offensive line together and start over in every other area, it might not take more than a season to get things together. We are in a worse position than square one right now, we LOST to the Titans, who arent even to square one right now. We got nothing goin for us currently, starting over is the way to go. liquidate the defense and skill positions and invest in draft picks, very simple. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

10-23-2006, 11:21 AM	#6
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,439	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. Oh yeah. I almost forgot. Didn't Joe Gibbs once say Desmond Howard had no weakness'????? If we had a legit GM we would have kept Champ Bailey, paid him the frickin money and drafted Tatum Bell. Bell and Betts would be a nice 1-2 punch and you could pay them 1/2 the money that Portis is making and kept the 2ndary together.

10-23-2006, 11:24 AM	#8
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 41 Posts: 937	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. tatum bell sucks, and betts cant read blocks. Ron Dayne has had good games for the broncos, all you need to be able to do is make one cut and run straight up field on that team. We need portis badly, however, he keeps taking himself off the field. I don't wanna hear anything about him not getting enough carries when he's voluntarily on the sideline most of the game. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

10-23-2006, 11:32 AM	#9
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. I didn't read the whole thread because I'm lazy, so if somebody else brought this up, I apologize. Basically, the most consistently productive franchises have long-tenured coaches. Changing the coaches every 5 years, doesn't help things -- it hurts. It seems obvious to me: the salary cap introduces more change in the NFL from year to year. So, the teams who are best able to deal with that change (read: minimize the change) are the teams who have the best likelihood of producing. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

10-23-2006, 11:38 AM	#10
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. I said in a couple posts last week that changes need to be made, but those changes have to be made to the mindset of the FO. Gibbs realizes he's not going to be able to coach much longer and the idea is to win now. With that idea comes the abandonment of the draft because it dwarfts the win now syndrome. Gibbs does not have the time or patience to develop players because it's going to take more time than he has to win. I've said it before, Gibbs, Cerrato and Snyder are all lovers of the free agent route to team building and it's not goin g to work for a multitude of reasons. That's why I say the mindset of the FO must change for this team to move foreward in a positive direction.

10-23-2006, 12:04 PM	#11
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. The team had enough talent to go 10-6 last season and to the second game in the playoffs. the offseason moves were very positive. The result is not __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-23-2006, 12:10 PM	#12
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. put in JC.

10-23-2006, 12:10 PM	#13
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 55 Posts: 2,015	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. No talent? Are you kidding me? That is NOT one of this teams problems. I am going to stop there and just hope JG rights this ship before season's end. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

10-23-2006, 01:07 PM	#14
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Joe And Vinny Must Go. Too much emphasis is being placed on what the team did last year. Last year is dead and gone, every year in the NFL is different. Every year there is some team that plays above and beyond expectations, and some team that does not live up to expectations, we happen to be in the latter category. There's much to be seen yet with the remainder of this season and it all does not have to do with winning and loosing. I'm more inclined to think about possible ways to improve the team and get better as opposed to just continuing to bash the team about it's poor play because that's certainly not going to make it any better. Now I know we're all frustrated (including me) but to go through the team with the constant bashing ceremony has gotten old. We've said everything negative we can possibly say, now on with the positives providing we can find any.

Joe And Vinny Must Go.

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