Joe And Vinny Must Go.

[skinsfan69]

What has Vinny done???? He has done NOTHING! Since Dan has this money why doesn't he hire the best GM money can buy? Can you mention one mid to late round draft pick that has turned out to be any good the last 6 years? Personally I would hire Gregg Williams or Russ Grimm. The players simply don't fear the head coach with all these stupid ass penalty's. And where are the half time adjustments???? He use to be a master at this. If I see that stupid ass WR screen I'm going to throw my remote through the TV screen. 7-8 men on the line of scrimage means THROW THE FRICKIN BALL DOWN THE FRICKIN FIELD.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What has Vinny done???? He has done NOTHING! Since Dan has this money why doesn't he hire the best GM money can buy? Can you mention one mid to late round draft pick that has turned out to be any good the last 6 years? Personally I would hire Gregg Williams or Russ Grimm. The players simply don't fear the head coach with all these stupid ass penalty's. And where are the half time adjustments???? He use to be a master at this. If I see that stupid ass WR screen I'm going to throw my remote through the TV screen. 7-8 men on the line of scrimage means THROW THE FRICKIN BALL DOWN THE FRICKIN FIELD.

Vinny really doesn't have any power anymore, he hasn't since Gibbs came back. He's a scout and helps in player evaluation. Getting rid of him won't accomplish much at all.

As for the neverending GM thing, if Gibbs wanted a GM I'm sure Snyder would gladly sign a check for anyone that he wanted. But Gibbs has repeatedly said that he's happy with the personnel decision process as it currently is.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

As for the neverending GM thing, if Gibbs wanted a GM I'm sure Snyder would gladly sign a check for anyone that he wanted. But Gibbs has repeatedly said that he's happy with the personnel decision process as it currently is.

that'd be all well and good, except that, whoever's in charge on personnel sucks at it. he may not want it, but he needs help there that he's not getting from his scouts or whoever is helping him now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

that'd be all well and good, except that, whoever's in charge on personnel sucks at it. he may not want it, but he needs help there that he's not getting from his scouts or whoever is helping him now.

Is personnel really our problem though?

Perhaps this is deserving of it's own thread... but when I look at our roster I see a talented team. Talented enough to be playing a HELL of a lot better than they are. This team was good enough to win 11 games last year including the playoffs. They added a few guys in the offseason and all of a sudden talent is our main problem?

I'm not buying it.

Injuries, a new offense, and guys underperforming are all reasons I can buy. But talent? C'mon, we've got playmakers all over on offense. Something else is at play here.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is personnel really our problem though?

Perhaps this is deserving of it's own thread... but when I look at our roster I see a talented team. Talented enough to be playing a HELL of a lot better than they are. This team was good enough to win 11 games last year including the playoffs. They added a few guys in the offseason and all of a sudden talent is our main problem?

I'm not buying it.

Injuries, a new offense, and guys underperforming are all reasons I can buy. But talent? C'mon, we've got playmakers all over on offense. Something else is at play here.

probably does. depth has always been a concern, and injuries show how terrible our backups are. the playcalling does seem arbitrary and predictable, the screens and outside runs seem to be 50% of our playbook, and the shotgun and audibles (that turned brunell from shite to useful) are no where in sight.

A lack of (player) leadership may also be a problem, but i can't really be sure.


the problem with the FO were the huge contracts to worthless players. 1 for 4 (and overpaying that one too) just isn't good, and the depth at LB isn't good. expensive mistakes bad going foward :/.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is personnel really our problem though? But talent? C'mon, we've got playmakers all over on offense. Something else is at play here.

I have to agree....

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Vinny really doesn't have any power anymore, he hasn't since Gibbs came back. He's a scout and helps in player evaluation. Getting rid of him won't accomplish much at all.

As for the neverending GM thing, if Gibbs wanted a GM I'm sure Snyder would gladly sign a check for anyone that he wanted. But Gibbs has repeatedly said that he's happy with the personnel decision process as it currently is.

You are correct about the gm / and evaluating . But I do believe if this team is going to win year in & year out , that Synder is going to have to tell Gibbs that he is hiring a Gm and the Gm will make ALL personel decisions . Gibbs is to willing to throw away too many draft picks for average players all to often . I hope Dan can get the Steelers or Patriots ,,, even Baltimores GM and build a strong team . For now ,,, lets just kick the cowboys ass !

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What has Vinny done???? He has done NOTHING! Since Dan has this money why doesn't he hire the best GM money can buy? Can you mention one mid to late round draft pick that has turned out to be any good the last 6 years? Personally I would hire Gregg Williams or Russ Grimm. The players simply don't fear the head coach with all these stupid ass penalty's. And where are the half time adjustments???? He use to be a master at this. If I see that stupid ass WR screen I'm going to throw my remote through the TV screen. 7-8 men on the line of scrimage means THROW THE FRICKIN BALL DOWN THE FRICKIN FIELD.

You cant blame Joe for the playcalls. He has handed that to Al. Al is a little stubborn, he has seen his system work and work great. he is not going to change it unless Joe tells him to change it. Joe isn't going to do that. He trusts the people he brings here, and will stay loyal to those people. As far as halftime adjustments, that is Al again. Joe is simply there to oversee everything, make 4th down calls, challenge plays ect.. that is the monster that has been created in Redskin land/.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You cant blame Joe for the playcalls. He has handed that to Al. Al is a little stubborn, he has seen his system work and work great. he is not going to change it unless Joe tells him to change it. Joe isn't going to do that. He trusts the people he brings here, and will stay loyal to those people. As far as halftime adjustments, that is Al again. Joe is simply there to oversee everything, make 4th down calls, challenge plays ect.. that is the monster that has been created in Redskin land/.

again, your acting like these are hard facts. saunders has already said that gibbs intervenes and can veto plays, and he (saunders) isn't allowed to choose the players he wants to play (from the current roster).