Why Brunell is Struggling

SmootSmack · 10-26-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

there was talk of a slow start and adjustment period. i think more shotgun would help brunell get a faster read, since that seems to be were the money was last year... it'd also make the OL look better, since they'd have a bit more buffer room.

For the third time...bring back Bill Musgrave!! Seriously though the shotgun was great for MB. We need to use that more

That Guy · 10-26-2006, 11:32 AM

saunders IS NOT the guy that ran the rams offense, PLEASE stop saying/implying the saunders is the guy responsible for that. martz focused on throwing to locations, not people, and martz didn't care about turnovers... gibbs REALLY does. and trent green is a better QB right now than brunell with a better OL, so the difference there is easy to explain.

warner, bledsoe, and brunell all suffer from looking at the rush instead of downfield at times.

That Guy · 10-26-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

For the third time...bring back Bill Musgrave!! Seriously though the shotgun was great for MB. We need to use that more

it does make you wonder... vick's looked better this year too.

724Skinsfan · 10-26-2006, 11:37 AM

I agree that Mark seemed to be much more comfortable last year from the shotgun position. I hope this doesn't turn Turner-esque in which the attitude "what we do works" is prevalent making the possibility of adapting to the current players skill set unlikely.

illdefined · 10-26-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

EDIT: I, in no way, mean to defend Brunell. I don't buy that it should take one year to fully learn this offense. After a complete offseason, preseason, and seven games, Brunell should have it down IMO.

here here.

if there's ANY benefit to being a 36 year old QB in the NFL, it's that's you're smart and have ostensibly seen it all. you're familiar with various offenses, and you're accustomed to being rushed.

Brunell seems to be playing the opposite, he's been overly sensitive to the rush (shellshocked?) and thinks his job is done safely throwing it to his escape valve.

That Guy · 10-26-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

Brunell seems to be playing the opposite, he's been overly sensitive to the rush (shellshocked?) and thinks his job is done safely throwing it to his escape valve.

warner, bledsoe, etc etc. it's not unique among old QBs with lots of experience. that doesn't mean it doesn't suck though.

illdefined · 10-26-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

warner, bledsoe, etc etc. it's not unique among old QBs with lots of experience. that doesn't mean it doesn't suck though.

yeah, but at least Bledsoe's flaw is holding it too long looking DOWNfield. he's obviously at least willing to take the hit to get it down there. ugh can't believe i just defended that guy. :vomit:

Eriwar · 10-26-2006, 11:57 AM

Yeah he is a shot QB that does not know the offense still. More reason to start Campbell!!!!

Longtimefan · 10-26-2006, 12:00 PM

After watching Brunell over the years it seems he has always trusted his legs more than his arm. Earlier in his career in Jacksonville it appeared as though he would look to run more frequently than throw, and kept that offense going with his legs. Now that he's older and running is not in his best interest, when it comes to throwing the ball in a timing offense I'm not sure he actually trust himself to make some of the throws he may have found easier to make when he was younger.

MTK · 10-26-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

yeah, but at least Bledsoe's flaw is holding it too long looking DOWNfield. he's obviously at least willing to take the hit to get it down there. ugh can't believe i just defended that guy. :vomit:

Yeah but in the end it has the same result if not worse. He takes far too many sacks and doesn't look for a dumpoff at all, or he forces the issue and throws a horrible pick.

Brunell either dumps it off or throws it away. At least he doesn't force the issue or take too many sacks.

I'm not saying either way is particularly effective, but sacks and turnovers are the quickest way to the bench as we've seen.

rickmmrr · 10-26-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodSkin

This is my first post, but I have been viewing the site for a few years now. It's good to be able to rejoice together and spew together. With that said, everyone knows Brunell is on his way out as starter whether it be this season or (MY God) hopefully next. Spending time trying to get him to learn this season (2-5) will result in Campbell taking all of next season trying to get acclimated to the system. When does the madness stop????????? WE MUST SEE IF CAMPBELL IS THE MAN FOR THE JOB OR NOT!!!

Welcome.

And I could not agree more. Such a waste of time. Get Cambell in there now.

BDBohnzie · 10-26-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacks42

In Trent Greens first season in this offense he had 51 plays over 20yds and 12 over 40yds, NFL.com doesnt show how many 3yd dump off passes to the rb he had but I am positive that it is nowhere near the amount that MB has.

In 2000 (Green's first season for the Rams as starter), Marshall Faulk had 81 receptions for 830 yards. 6 of those 81 were 20+, 2 of those were 40+, and he had 42 first downs. Which would lead me to believe that around half of his receptions were less than 10 yards.

(Here are the stats from the 2000 Rams)

As you said, Trent Green's first season in Saunders' offense, he struggled, and I would expect any QB who is going from one system to Saunders to struggle.

However, I think Brunell's struggles stem from the fact that he's honed in on Santana and Cooley moreso than anyone else, and doesn't feel comfortable spreading the ball around.

illdefined · 10-26-2006, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah but in the end it has the same result if not worse. He takes far too many sacks and doesn't look for a dumpoff at all, or he forces the issue and throws a horrible pick.

Brunell either dumps it off or throws it away. At least he doesn't force the issue or take too many sacks.

I'm not saying either way is particularly effective, but sacks and turnovers are the quickest way to the bench as we've seen.

totally agree. age is the real problem. and i especially agree with what longtimefan just said about Brunell's legs.

there's a point where the mental advantage of being a vet is overcome by the disadvantage of being older. see Favre.

RedskinRat · 10-26-2006, 12:43 PM

Here's a simple solution: Brunell's habit of dropping into the pocket, scanning the field and then patting the football has disrupted the timing of the offense

Buy him a puppy, sit his ass down on the bench and let him pat the puppy on the sideline. Start Campbell.

Oh, and DON'T let TAFKAS kick said puppy, cos he will, you know.

SmootSmack · 10-26-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Here's a simple solution: Brunell's habit of dropping into the pocket, scanning the field and then patting the football has disrupted the timing of the offense

Buy him a puppy, sit his ass down on the bench and let him pat the puppy on the sideline. Start Campbell.

Oh, and DON'T let TAFKAS kick said puppy, cos he will, you know.

Daseal kicks the puppies. I just hold them a la Lucy Van Pelt

10-26-2006, 11:32 AM	#32
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Why Brunell is Struggling saunders IS NOT the guy that ran the rams offense, PLEASE stop saying/implying the saunders is the guy responsible for that. martz focused on throwing to locations, not people, and martz didn't care about turnovers... gibbs REALLY does. and trent green is a better QB right now than brunell with a better OL, so the difference there is easy to explain. warner, bledsoe, and brunell all suffer from looking at the rush instead of downfield at times.

10-26-2006, 11:37 AM	#34
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: Why Brunell is Struggling I agree that Mark seemed to be much more comfortable last year from the shotgun position. I hope this doesn't turn Turner-esque in which the attitude "what we do works" is prevalent making the possibility of adapting to the current players skill set unlikely. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

10-26-2006, 11:57 AM	#38
Eriwar No new threads for you Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 60	Re: Why Brunell is Struggling Yeah he is a shot QB that does not know the offense still. More reason to start Campbell!!!!

10-26-2006, 12:00 PM	#39
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Why Brunell is Struggling After watching Brunell over the years it seems he has always trusted his legs more than his arm. Earlier in his career in Jacksonville it appeared as though he would look to run more frequently than throw, and kept that offense going with his legs. Now that he's older and running is not in his best interest, when it comes to throwing the ball in a timing offense I'm not sure he actually trust himself to make some of the throws he may have found easier to make when he was younger.

10-26-2006, 12:43 PM	#44
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Why Brunell is Struggling Here's a simple solution: Brunell's habit of dropping into the pocket, scanning the field and then patting the football* has disrupted the timing of the offense* Buy him a puppy, sit his ass down on the bench and let him pat the puppy on the sideline. Start Campbell. Oh, and DON'T let TAFKAS kick said puppy, cos he will, you know.

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