Bearish Season Prediction

[BrunellMVP?]

Re: 724, yet another comically blind fan who refuses to legitimately look at the season prospects, but i hope he is right. i like how you simply dismiss all other talent in favor of your simple, yet elegant arguments (romo is a homo)...

as for rogers, are you really going to just soley based on TDs given up? i don't believe he's been only burned for 2, but i'll leave that alone. what about his large cushion that he gives to each of opponent allowing them to catch anywhere between 8-12 yards at will (even in 4th and 8 situations...i remind you...)

I mean, lets be honest. rogers has not shown an ability to people, that is prevent them from going for bigs days when he's defending.

I will attempt to locate stats for rogers, as i not have hard ones at my disposal. Do you?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

Re: 724, yet another comically blind fan who refuses to legitimately look at the season prospects, but i hope he is right. i like how you simply dismiss all other talent in favor of your simple, yet elegant arguments (romo is a homo)...

as for rogers, are you really going to just soley based on TDs given up? i don't believe he's been only burned for 2, but i'll leave that alone. what about his large cushion that he gives to each of opponent allowing them to catch anywhere between 8-12 yards at will (even in 4th and 8 situations...i remind you...)

I mean, lets be honest. rogers has not shown an ability to people, that is prevent them from going for bigs days when he's defending.

I will attempt to locate stats for rogers, as i not have hard ones at my disposal. Do you?

I'll get some hard ones, but seriously, the secondary gets a bad rap SPECIFICALLY for the play of one Kenny Wright and less-so Mike Rumph. They abuse Kenny Wright and then the whole secondary looks bad.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

Re: 724, yet another comically blind fan who refuses to legitimately look at the season prospects, but i hope he is right. i like how you simply dismiss all other talent in favor of your simple, yet elegant arguments (romo is a homo)...

as for rogers, are you really going to just soley based on TDs given up? i don't believe he's been only burned for 2, but i'll leave that alone. what about his large cushion that he gives to each of opponent allowing them to catch anywhere between 8-12 yards at will (even in 4th and 8 situations...i remind you...)

I mean, lets be honest. rogers has not shown an ability to people, that is prevent them from going for bigs days when he's defending.

I will attempt to locate stats for rogers, as i not have hard ones at my disposal. Do you?

Fine, I'll clarify.

Romo looked good in his first NFL start aganist a team that couldn't convert on 3rd downs, dropped TD catches and fumbled the ball. Real solid Carolina team there. I gave props to their only decent option: Smith.

The Bucs are terrible, Gradkowski isn't lighting the world on fire anymore.

McNabb and the Eagles played against crappy teams and are now playing real teams...result = 3 straight losses and a QB that's going to take more risky chances to try to win = more INT's.

The Giants don't particularly worry me. Their not a fanatstic team. They're playing great D currently but it won't last. It never does with them. Don't discount division games and home field advantage.

The Saints are average. They looked like crap versus the Ravens sans offensive coordinator. Their defense is terrible. The offense is actually good. Terrible D + good O = average team.

The Rams? Real scary defense there nowadays. They might win but I' not betting on them.

The Redskins have had time to sit back and identify problems, work on those issues and rest up for a decent second half + 1 game run. I'm not predicting a 9 - 0 record but I see more wins than losses. 6 - 3 down the stretch to finish 8 - 8. Sorry, I like being a fan(atic). Being a follower for over two decades has give me the ability to be unreasonably hopeful and I like being obnoxiously optimistic versus down-troddenly pessimistic.

[BrunellMVP?]

I appreciate the clarication...

1) Nobody can be convinced of romo, but the cowboys did dominate us with Drew and TO on the sideline...we can't stop the run

2) bucs are not terrible, and their D has firmed up, and i give us a good CHANCE to win (ie one of our few W's).

3) McNabb played Crappy teams, and is now playing real teams...one of those "real" teams that they just lost to was the Bucs. They also barely lost to the giants (ie gave the game away), who then destroyed us...

4) Giants should worry us...their D has firmed up- and it started with the game vs the Skins. I won't discount the FedEx advantage, but how many fans will have sold their tickets to Giants by then? or worse how many fans will be rowdy in week 17?

5) Agreed with Saints. However, Average - Below Average = win
or average is still > below average (which is where the skins are...)

6) Rams can score. Can we? Holt and Bruce along will run wild. S. Jackson is coming on strong as well.

Addressing our own problems:

D can't cover, and therefore can't comit to blitzes. without blitzes, we don't get pressure on the QB, which gives him time to pick apart the D or allows for larger holes to run..

O can't consistently score. We don't move the ball well, our QB has happy feet and checks down far too often and early. Our line is confused as to our identify (do we run?) Portis is confused to his role (why are they using him?) and the recievers are frustrated bc they aren't getting balls. Saunders even seems frustrated that Brunell is still at QB...(re: thats a decision for the head coach comment)

so while we pick apart the short comings of other teams...lets consider our own listed above...all totalled, can we realistically expect to win many of those games?

I appreciate your optimism, and hope its comes to fruition, however i clearly don't share it. 8-8 is bold, but even at .500 I'm not sure it gets us into the playoffs given our record against division foes. I also hope that a bye week to identify and cure our ailments is enough, however, i remain skeptical as we've been unable to accomplish this task in the 7 weeks preceeding.

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Fine, I'll clarify.

Romo looked good in his first NFL start aganist a team that couldn't convert on 3rd downs, dropped TD catches and fumbled the ball. Real solid Carolina team there. I gave props to their only decent option: Smith.

The Bucs are terrible, Gradkowski isn't lighting the world on fire anymore.

McNabb and the Eagles played against crappy teams and are now playing real teams...result = 3 straight losses and a QB that's going to take more risky chances to try to win = more INT's.

The Giants don't particularly worry me. Their not a fanatstic team. They're playing great D currently but it won't last. It never does with them. Don't discount division games and home field advantage.

The Saints are average. They looked like crap versus the Ravens sans offensive coordinator. Their defense is terrible. The offense is actually good. Terrible D + good O = average team.

The Rams? Real scary defense there nowadays. They might win but I' not betting on them.

The Redskins have had time to sit back and identify problems, work on those issues and rest up for a decent second half + 1 game run. I'm not predicting a 9 - 0 record but I see more wins than losses. 6 - 3 down the stretch to finish 8 - 8. Sorry, I like being a fan(atic). Being a follower for over two decades has give me the ability to be unreasonably hopeful and I like being obnoxiously optimistic versus down-troddenly pessimistic.

[724Skinsfan]

I hate arguing point for point but...

I appreciate the clarication...

1) Nobody can be convinced of romo, but the cowboys did dominate us with Drew and TO on the sideline...we can't stop the run
TO and Bledsoe played against us. TO broke his finger. We really can't stop the big pass play if I'm going to point out a specific glaring weakness.

2) bucs are not terrible, and their D has firmed up, and i give us a good CHANCE to win (ie one of our few W's).
The Bucs are not good. They are a poor man's Baltimore Ravens team right now.

3) McNabb played Crappy teams, and is now playing real teams...one of those "real" teams that they just lost to was the Bucs. They also barely lost to the giants (ie gave the game away), who then destroyed us...
Three straight losses shows me some sort of problem.

4) Giants should worry us...their D has firmed up- and it started with the game vs the Skins. I won't discount the FedEx advantage, but how many fans will have sold their tickets to Giants by then? or worse how many fans will be rowdy in week 17?
If your not in the playoff hunt then the next place is spoiler role.

5) Agreed with Saints. However, Average - Below Average = win
or average is still > below average (which is where the skins are...)
The Saints have above expectations, we're playing below. Something's gotta give like it does every year for most teams.

6) Rams can score. Can we? Holt and Bruce along will run wild. S. Jackson is coming on strong as well.
We can score. The potential is there. Ask the Jaguars and Texans. Well, just ask the Jag's.

Addressing our own problems:

D can't cover, and therefore can't comit to blitzes. without blitzes, we don't get pressure on the QB, which gives him time to pick apart the D or allows for larger holes to run..

O can't consistently score. We don't move the ball well, our QB has happy feet and checks down far too often and early. Our line is confused as to our identify (do we run?) Portis is confused to his role (why are they using him?) and the recievers are frustrated bc they aren't getting balls. Saunders even seems frustrated that Brunell is still at QB...(re: thats a decision for the head coach comment)

so while we pick apart the short comings of other teams...lets consider our own listed above...all totalled, can we realistically expect to win many of those games?

I appreciate you optimism, and hope its comes to fruition, however i clearly don't share it. 8-8 is bold, but even at .500 I'm not sure it gets us into the playoffs given our record against division foes. I also hope that a bye week to identify and cure our ailments is enough, however, i remain skeptical as we've been unable to accomplish this task in the 7 weeks preceeding. I don't know what's going on with the hed coaches but like I said they'll have had two weeks to work on it like the veteran coaching that they are. And yes my fingers are crossed while typing this.

[BrunellMVP?]

re: for point

1) you wrote: TO and Bledsoe played against us. TO broke his finger. We really can't stop the big pass play if I'm going to point out a specific glaring weakness.

My point was EVEN with Bledsoe (now benched) and the TO injury, WE still got manhandled. only close due to Rock's runback. what has changed, beside's the cowboy's new QB who wasn't flustered by Carolina's much better D?

2) you wrote: The Bucs are not good. They are a poor man's Baltimore Ravens team right now.

The bucs are ok. we have a shot...they did just beat philly. (who by the way you just claimed lost to 3 "Good teams".

3) you wrote: Three straight losses shows me some sort of problem.
Weren't the Redskins 2-2? that aside, we frequently have troubles with mcnabb and westbrook. like the giants and dallas, its likely they find their form against the skins...

4) you wrote: If your not in the playoff hunt then the next place is spoiler role.
If you are holding on to the spoiler role, i think you are grasping for air...i mean they thoroughly owned us.
brunell tossed for 109 yards and we ran for 78.
Manning tossed for 256 and ran for 155.
final score 19-3. that was after our GREAT game against the jags...

5) you wrote: The Saints have above expectations, we're playing below. Something's gotta give like it does every year for most teams.
Miami was considered a superbowl darkhorse, does that mean they should beat chicago this week? There is something to be said for reality, and the reality is, Saints have played well, and the skins haven't.

6) you wrote: We can score. The potential is there. Ask the Jaguars and Texans. Well, just ask the Jag's.
Again, reality is key. Rams DO score, while the Skins can score, only in theory. how many points are we averaging?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

re: for point

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

My point was EVEN with Bledsoe (now benched) and the TO injury, WE still got manhandled. only close due to Rock's runback. what has changed, beside's the cowboy's new QB who wasn't flustered by Carolina's much better D?
We played terrible but take away our INT thrown to Roy Williams on the 1 yard line which resulted in a 99 yard TD drive for Dallas and we have a 3 point ballgame with us playing like crap and the 'Boys manhandling us. Just think if we played average instead of terrible. The same goes for the Vikings game and the Giants game.


The bucs are ok. we have a shot...they did just beat philly. (who by the way you just claimed lost to 3 "Good teams".
I didn't say they lost to "good teams". I said they lost 3 games. If we're arguing then we need to make sure we don't put words in the other's mouth/post.

Weren't the Redskins 2-2? that aside, we frequently have troubles with mcnabb and westbrook. like the giants and dallas, its likely they find their form against the skins...
Just as likely we'll find our form against them.

If you are holding on to the spoiler role, i think you are grasping for air...i mean they thoroughly owned us.
okay


Miami was considered a superbowl darkhorse, does that mean they should beat chicago this week? There is something to be said for reality, and the reality is, Saints have played well, and the skins haven't.
Should beat them? no. could beat them? After watching the Arizona/Chicago game then sure Chicago could lose to Miami. The Saints have played well but the stars don't stay aligned forever.


Again, reality is key. Rams DO score, while the Skins can score, only in theory. how many points are we averaging?
St Louis is averaging 23 pts/game. We're averaging 20 pts/game.