Reality check on Campbell

[SmootSmack]

Are we surprised. I think most here have agreed that at best JC is the #2 guy on Sunday

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by illdefined

What he said......

[RiggoRules]

Let's consider the various scenarios for the future regarding both players....

1. MB is going to have an amazing second half of the season and lead the Skins into the playoffs.
2. MB is going to continue to play as he has or worse and there will be no post season.
3. MB has an amazing turn around, but it isn't enough.

As far as JC goes....

1. JC will play at some point in the future and clearly establish he is not a quality franchise QB and should not be the starting QB for 2007.
2. JC begins playing this season takes some lumps, but shows progress, poise and promise. The season ends with the offense on an upswing. 2007 with JC under center is cause for optimism.
3. JC begins playing and his poise and arm strength results in an amazing turn around for the offense.

Of all of these different scenarios and combination of scenarios, there is only one where continuing to start MB is a good thing -- that is the least likely scenario.

If JC starts and clearly establishes he is not the QB of the future, that is important information and something it is good for everyone to find out sooner rather than later.

If the second half of the season is 2-7 or 0-9, what difference does it make. the chances of MB going 9-0 are near nil. We already know what MB can and cannot do. The chances of JC turning things around are better than MB's.

Even if JC did not lead a turn around, at least he would be getting ready for 2007.

[GoSkins!]

Daseal called it right. Brunell gives us the best chance to not lose.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Dogtag

My humble two cents on who plays QB.

When I look to hire a person to do a job, I look for experience, knowledge, pedigree, character, and all too often cost.

I have never hired someone because they could use the experience and they probably couldn't do any worse than the guy doing it now. I do not tie my performance record to a guy who has not proven he can get the job done.

You have to prove yourself as better capable to do the job before you unseat the incumbent. Its just the way life works.

For JC that means proving it day in and day out with consistent performances at practice, in front of those that make the decision.

thats old school. if everyone hired like that no one would ever get a start in your business.

I don't know how long you've been in management or what field, but the businesses that grow are the ones who don't get into the doldrums of doing business like daddy, but the ones who can think forward. Usually that means hiring new younger canditates for positions and doing what it takes to mold them into someone who shares your values and business plan, but can help you grow. At that point it becomes retention, which is easier and CHEAPER than stealing talent from someone else with whom they have a history...

for this analogy, character and pedigree are supposed to already be there in the younger QB and cost is not an issue, because we're already paying him. experience is the only thing that stands in his way, (because with potential, knowledge is gained from experience) and no one else is gonna let him play for them until he gets the hang of things and learns, and let us sign him if he gets good... thats what college was for...


-I don't mean to sound gruff, but I deal with older old-school business men everyday who cant understand why their business is getting taken by people who arent conforming to yesterdays standards... and they're quick to dismiss unproven ideas and prospects because they're not experienced, but its usually the guy who gives someone the experience that gain the rewards of the prospects potential...

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

I hope campbell has come a long way since preseason, cause he showed nothing then.....against 3rd string defenses. He seemed to lack vision, I'm assuming that was because of the new offense. I hope he has grasped Saunders' scheme, but I doubt he has. I wouldnt be against starting todd collins. I think he would be a better guy for campbell to learn from, that is if campbell proves not ready.

So you argue that based on preseason performance we shouldnt start Campbell and then argue we should consider starting Collins!?!?!?!

Did you watch the preseason?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Daseal called it right. Brunell gives us the best chance to not lose.

And if you don't lose.................?????????? you win? is that not the objective? Baltimore won a SB a couple of years ago doing something like that.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Daseal called it right. Brunell gives us the best chance to not lose.

see 'not losing' only works if you have a DEFENSE (the baltimore example). if your defense is hurting, and woefully misstaffed as ours is this year, then the QB has to get the offense off 'not lose' mode, and actually lead it into 'WIN' mode.

'WIN' mode includes such uncharactisteric methods as lobbing the ball twice 50yds into the air over the middle to Santana Moss, with 4 minutes left in a game. against important divisional rivals such as DALLAS for instance..

you see 'WIN' goes a step further than 'not lose' (since we've been 'not losing' here steadily at 2-5). 'WIN' actually means 'MAKE the OTHER team lose' and is in fact the preferred method of GOOD TEAMS.

[SUNRA]

The more I think on the reasons why JC isn't the starting QB, the more I realize it's not about his lack a experience as much as it is Gibbs more concerned about the injured feelings of Brunell. Week in and week out we have heard Gibbs defend Brunell's inconsistent play even when he threw INT's. All of of us know how Gibbs feels about turnovers. Look, when Brunell is benched it's the end of his career. That's what Gibbs knows and he is basically trying to save face. This is ridiculous after all of the money that has been spent to settle for Brunell after Gibbs drafted Campbell in the first place.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

The more I think on the reasons why JC isn't the starting QB, the more I realize it's not about his lack a experience as much as it is Gibbs more concerned about the injured feelings of Brunell. Week in and week out we have heard Gibbs defend Brunell's inconsistent play even when he threw INT's. All of of us know how Gibbs feels about turnovers. Look, when Brunell is benched it's the end of his career. That's what Gibbs knows and he is basically trying to save face. This is ridiculous after all of the money that has been spent to settle for Brunell after Gibbs drafted Campbell in the first place.

I never thought of it that way, but it does make sense......

[irish]

If JC is listed as the 3rd qb on the roster before that game on sunday and he comes in before the 4th quarter then the other QBs can not be used at any position for the remainder of the game. Its a stupid rule but a rule nonetheless. It seems unlikely JC will play before the 4th quarter.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

The more I think on the reasons why JC isn't the starting QB, the more I realize it's not about his lack a experience as much as it is Gibbs more concerned about the injured feelings of Brunell. Week in and week out we have heard Gibbs defend Brunell's inconsistent play even when he threw INT's. All of of us know how Gibbs feels about turnovers. Look, when Brunell is benched it's the end of his career. That's what Gibbs knows and he is basically trying to save face. This is ridiculous after all of the money that has been spent to settle for Brunell after Gibbs drafted Campbell in the first place.

Gibbs may be a super nice and sensitive guy but if you think he's going to say "Hmmm...try to win a championship or ensure Mark's feelings aren't hurt?" then you are wrong.

If anything, he doesn't see a performance upgrade by bringing in Campbell so he's doing what he has always succesfully done, let the young guy sit and absorb the game. He's from a different era that allowed for players to sit for a few years (hidden) until he felt they were ready to come in. Nowadays, the NFL is all about getting it done NOW! I'm not saying his way is the right way but it's what he knows and he may change/adapt. I'd rather wait until Campbell is perceived by the coaches to be ready instead of him going in and trying to win games using techniques that leads to bad habits. The question is: are we building for this season's run only or building a perennial contender. I would think the statistic concerning successful QB's that became a starter with less than two years experience versus QB's that had time to sit and develop is overwhelmingly in favor of the QB's that had time.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

So you argue that based on preseason performance we shouldnt start Campbell and then argue we should consider starting Collins!?!?!?!

Did you watch the preseason?

Yes I watched the preseason, and saw nothing out of campbell, however, collins knows the offense at least, which would make gibbs more comfortable, and he could teach campbell more easily than brunell since he should know the plays like the back of his hand. It's true that collins didnt look good in preseason, but he has done it in the past during the reg season with a crappy chiefs defense on the other side of the ball, preseason is the only way to judge campbell at this moment.

[MTK]

Outside of the Bengals preseason game I thought Collins looked ok.

[Hog1]

New QB's ARE GOING to make mistakes..................usually many