Latest Sporting News Mock Draft- Williams at #5 to Skins?

raleighskinsfan · 03-08-2004, 01:43 PM

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As we continue to fill our holes in free agency, the draft becomes clearer-
Realizing there is still a long time before the draft, it is still fun to speculate, right???
So Sporting News has us taking Mike Williams at #5.
My questions to you are these-

1. I don't watch enough college football to know- is Mike Williams the next coming of Randy Moss as it seems he's being touted? If so, hard to pass on him- but is that the right move for the Skins?

2- Would you rather see us take Kellen Winslow Jr at #5? Granted we just signed Rasby, but he could be the blocker and Winslow the pass catching TE. Would not surprise me to see Gibbs carry two TE's- Don't you think Gibbs would also love a two TE set with both on the field, one RB and two receivers?

3- Would we be better off trading down to the mid-level of the first round, picking up extra picks, and going after Kenechi Udeze to help build our NON EXISTANT pass rush???
Renaldo Wynn and Phillip Daniels are not particulary great pass rushers....

If Williams is as good as everyone says he is, I think I would be happy with any of these 3 scenarios- but frankly, I think our biggest need is obviously a pass rushing DE. Those are VERY hard to find and we haven't had one in his prime since Charles Mann for God's Sake....

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 03-08-2004, 01:51 PM

I would be shocked if we took a WR - Even Williams - at No. 5. We've got fantastic depth with Coles, Gardner, McCants, Jacobs and Jimoh - that I can't imagine us going there. Too many bigger needs - i.e. DE, DT, S, or TE. Last year, Detroit picked up a guy from Mich. St. that was supposed to be the next Randy Moss and I don't remember him doing too much for them. It's too risky with WR's....

joethiesmanfan · 03-08-2004, 02:07 PM

Jimoh is a cornerback. i only remember two plays a 44 yard bomb over him againsta Atlanta and another bomb launched over him i cacn't remember which game. he had good coverage just didnt time his leap right. good speed but he aint no WR

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 03-08-2004, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

he had good coverage just didnt time his leap right. good speed

Hey JoeThiesmanFan - you give ol' Ade more credit than most people on this website - Kudos to you for seeing the potential and talent! Good coverage...good speed.. and a big heart! That's our boy! Oh, and I know he's a CB, but he could play WR if that's what was best for the team. Team Player, that Ade is!

DEJA HOMI!

celts32 · 03-08-2004, 02:19 PM

If the Redskins with all thier defensive holes spend the 5th pick of the draft on a WR I will need to make an unscheduled trip to Circut City to replace my broken TV...

Duffman003 · 03-08-2004, 02:39 PM

The Detriot guy you are talking about is Charles Rogers and he is good but he broke his collarbone during the season.

Duffman003 · 03-08-2004, 02:42 PM

Also I am a believer in that if you have a high pick you get the best guy, Mike Williams is young and could have a huge upside, we would have one of the best offenses in the league. hopefully.

joethiesmanfan · 03-08-2004, 02:32 PM

Well with Coles, Gardner, etc. we don't need him at WR but it takes CB's a couple years to start playing right. Smoot is still in his learning curve years and doing excellent Jimoh was a rookie CB we'll see how much he has improved you can't teach speed. in the defensive secondary thats what you need. Bye Bowen the paper tiger safety. Keyshawn Touchdown!!! and we were still in the game. and on the plays jimoh got burned where was the safety help??????????? I dont doubt jimoh but a rookie CB that was in position but just didnt make the play isnt a terrible player. Let him compete if he makes the team he is good to have around learning. You got to develop CB's constantly they are too hard to find. Unless you have a d-line like the panthers you need good CB's or your defense wont cut it. Ask Denver.

hi-jinx · 03-08-2004, 02:38 PM

Since if we sign Butler from the Rams we will only be about 1 million under the cap I got to believe we are going to trade down. Thats not enough green to sign a top five guy and since we only have to 2 picks this year I think we would be better off trading own to get a D-lineman.

joecrisp · 03-08-2004, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hi-jinx

Since if we sign Butler from the Rams we will only be about 1 million under the cap I got to believe we are going to trade down. Thats not enough green to sign a top five guy and since we only have to 2 picks this year I think we would be better off trading own to get a D-lineman.

Don't forget, the Skins could still release Larry Moore, Trung Canidate and/or Byron Chamberlain and free up around $2.5 million. But I tend to think the Skins will be trading down to the middle of the first round, and picking up a guy like Udeze. I don't think the Rams will match on Butler's offer sheet, so the Skins will only have one pick. Outside of Sean Taylor, it would be tough to justify taking a defensive guy at the #5 spot, when so much premier offensive talent would be available to attract bidders for a trade. I find it hard to believe that the Skins are comfortable going into next season without a significant pass rusher on the D-line (despite Gregg Williams' recent assurances they are prepared to do so), so the most logical move would seem to be trading down to the middle of the first round, where they can get the pass rusher they need, and also pick up at least a 2nd rounder, probably more. Until the draft comes, you can be assured that the Skins will play up the idea of using the #5 pick, possibly on an offensive guy, to rally more bidders for a trade.

Scott · 03-08-2004, 06:50 PM

My thoughts exactly Joe, we will definitely be making more room in the salary cap with cuts, right now we have a lot of players that have already been replaced...

skinsfanthru&thru · 03-08-2004, 10:14 PM

mike williams isn't even the best williams wr in the draft so why would we draft him. I know he's a good wr but if we were to draft one hopefully after trading down, I say we draft Roy Williams. he's the best overall wr physically and skillwise.

offiss · 03-09-2004, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by joecrisp

Don't forget, the Skins could still release Larry Moore, Trung Canidate and/or Byron Chamberlain and free up around $2.5 million. But I tend to think the Skins will be trading down to the middle of the first round, and picking up a guy like Udeze. I don't think the Rams will match on Butler's offer sheet, so the Skins will only have one pick. Outside of Sean Taylor, it would be tough to justify taking a defensive guy at the #5 spot, when so much premier offensive talent would be available to attract bidders for a trade. I find it hard to believe that the Skins are comfortable going into next season without a significant pass rusher on the D-line (despite Gregg Williams' recent assurances they are prepared to do so), so the most logical move would seem to be trading down to the middle of the first round, where they can get the pass rusher they need, and also pick up at least a 2nd rounder, probably more. Until the draft comes, you can be assured that the Skins will play up the idea of using the #5 pick, possibly on an offensive guy, to rally more bidders for a trade.

The 1 prob. with that is getting an impact pass rushing end in the middle of the rd. I don't think it can be done unless we get lucky, who would you take that would make that kind of an impact in the middle of the 1st? Drafting a defensive end isn't a prob. but if we draft a guy in the middle of the first we will be looking next year for another D-end and we won't have taylor to show for this draft, mediocur D-end's are a dime a dozen, If the guy isn't special don't waste a pick on him.

Ghost · 03-09-2004, 03:48 PM

Sounds to me like Udeze could be a special player ... it's just that there seem to be a lot of special players in the top half of the first round and that's driving his stock down.

joecrisp · 03-09-2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

The 1 prob. with that is getting an impact pass rushing end in the middle of the rd. I don't think it can be done unless we get lucky, who would you take that would make that kind of an impact in the middle of the 1st? Drafting a defensive end isn't a prob. but if we draft a guy in the middle of the first we will be looking next year for another D-end and we won't have taylor to show for this draft, mediocur D-end's are a dime a dozen, If the guy isn't special don't waste a pick on him.

Guys like Kenechi Udeze, Will Smith, Randy Starks, Darnell Dockett, and Vince Wilfork have all been projected as sub-top ten picks who could be available in the middle to bottom of the first round. All would probably be immediate starters and significant upgrades on the D-line. If the Skins pick up one of those guys and get another pick or two to land a tight end and/or safety, I'd be happy. Yes, Taylor is almost a sure thing, but any one of the afore-mentioned D-linemen could be standouts in their rookie year as well. I'll be happy either way. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed to see them pickup Taylor at #5.

03-08-2004, 01:43 PM	#1
raleighskinsfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 62	Latest Sporting News Mock Draft- Williams at #5 to Skins? Sporting News Latest Mock Draft http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2203850 As we continue to fill our holes in free agency, the draft becomes clearer- Realizing there is still a long time before the draft, it is still fun to speculate, right??? So Sporting News has us taking Mike Williams at #5. My questions to you are these- 1. I don't watch enough college football to know- is Mike Williams the next coming of Randy Moss as it seems he's being touted? If so, hard to pass on him- but is that the right move for the Skins? 2- Would you rather see us take Kellen Winslow Jr at #5? Granted we just signed Rasby, but he could be the blocker and Winslow the pass catching TE. Would not surprise me to see Gibbs carry two TE's- Don't you think Gibbs would also love a two TE set with both on the field, one RB and two receivers? 3- Would we be better off trading down to the mid-level of the first round, picking up extra picks, and going after Kenechi Udeze to help build our NON EXISTANT pass rush??? Renaldo Wynn and Phillip Daniels are not particulary great pass rushers.... If Williams is as good as everyone says he is, I think I would be happy with any of these 3 scenarios- but frankly, I think our biggest need is obviously a pass rushing DE. Those are VERY hard to find and we haven't had one in his prime since Charles Mann for God's Sake....

03-08-2004, 01:51 PM	#2
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	I would be shocked if we took a WR - Even Williams - at No. 5. We've got fantastic depth with Coles, Gardner, McCants, Jacobs and Jimoh - that I can't imagine us going there. Too many bigger needs - i.e. DE, DT, S, or TE. Last year, Detroit picked up a guy from Mich. St. that was supposed to be the next Randy Moss and I don't remember him doing too much for them. It's too risky with WR's....

03-08-2004, 02:07 PM	#3
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Jimoh is a cornerback. i only remember two plays a 44 yard bomb over him againsta Atlanta and another bomb launched over him i cacn't remember which game. he had good coverage just didnt time his leap right. good speed but he aint no WR

03-08-2004, 02:19 PM	#5
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	If the Redskins with all thier defensive holes spend the 5th pick of the draft on a WR I will need to make an unscheduled trip to Circut City to replace my broken TV...

03-08-2004, 02:39 PM	#6
Duffman003 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 602	The Detriot guy you are talking about is Charles Rogers and he is good but he broke his collarbone during the season.

03-08-2004, 02:42 PM	#7
Duffman003 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 602	Also I am a believer in that if you have a high pick you get the best guy, Mike Williams is young and could have a huge upside, we would have one of the best offenses in the league. hopefully.

03-08-2004, 02:32 PM	#8
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Well with Coles, Gardner, etc. we don't need him at WR but it takes CB's a couple years to start playing right. Smoot is still in his learning curve years and doing excellent Jimoh was a rookie CB we'll see how much he has improved you can't teach speed. in the defensive secondary thats what you need. Bye Bowen the paper tiger safety. Keyshawn Touchdown!!! and we were still in the game. and on the plays jimoh got burned where was the safety help??????????? I dont doubt jimoh but a rookie CB that was in position but just didnt make the play isnt a terrible player. Let him compete if he makes the team he is good to have around learning. You got to develop CB's constantly they are too hard to find. Unless you have a d-line like the panthers you need good CB's or your defense wont cut it. Ask Denver.

03-08-2004, 02:38 PM	#9
hi-jinx Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Memphis Age: 50 Posts: 180	Since if we sign Butler from the Rams we will only be about 1 million under the cap I got to believe we are going to trade down. Thats not enough green to sign a top five guy and since we only have to 2 picks this year I think we would be better off trading own to get a D-lineman.

03-08-2004, 06:50 PM	#11
Scott Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 177	My thoughts exactly Joe, we will definitely be making more room in the salary cap with cuts, right now we have a lot of players that have already been replaced...

03-08-2004, 10:14 PM	#12
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 45 Posts: 3,814	mike williams isn't even the best williams wr in the draft so why would we draft him. I know he's a good wr but if we were to draft one hopefully after trading down, I say we draft Roy Williams. he's the best overall wr physically and skillwise.

03-09-2004, 03:48 PM	#14
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	Sounds to me like Udeze could be a special player ... it's just that there seem to be a lot of special players in the top half of the first round and that's driving his stock down.

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