Sports Junkies talking about a Campbell rumor

[That Guy]

fair points, and i agree the D is really bad right now, but i'm not sold that the offense isn't also bad, that's all. and GTripp sorta comes off as saying there's absolutely no problem there (in my opinion), whether that's his intention or not.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

fair points, and i agree the D is really bad right now, but i'm not sold that the offense isn't also bad, that's all. and GTripp sorta comes off as saying there's absolutely no problem there (in my opinion), whether that's his intention or not.

I guess whether or not theres a problem is purely opinional based on what your expectation for the offense is. If you look at the prior two years as the standard/expectation, then I would say there are no problems. We are up in PPG, YPG and pretty much every major metric from last year. Turnovers are down significantly.

On the contrary, if you thought that the additions we made would make us a top three offense, and that was your expectation, then its pretty obvious this group hasn't reached your standards, and thus is underachieving. There are better offenses then us around the league.

And of course if you expected perfection (and there are people on this fourm who do), then there are a lot of problems. Brunell isn't perfect, Moss isn't perfect, Portis isn't perfect...etc. So yeah, then you call for Brunell's head, get Campbell, and as soon as he isnt perfect, call for his head.

I think a lot of us preseason, were thinking this would be a defensive mided football team, with a stronger offense than last year (cause thats what I was thinking). Well, one unit has met expectations, one hasn't, IMO. So rather than blame the unit that did meet expectations, I'm fed up with the one that didn't.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I guess whether or not theres a problem is purely opinional based on what your expectation for the offense is. If you look at the prior two years as the standard/expectation, then I would say there are no problems. We are up in PPG, YPG and pretty much every major metric from last year. Turnovers are down significantly.

On the contrary, if you thought that the additions we made would make us a top three offense, and that was your expectation, then its pretty obvious this group hasn't reached your standards, and thus is underachieving. There are better offenses then us around the league.

And of course if you expected perfection (and there are people on this fourm who do), then there are a lot of problems. Brunell isn't perfect, Moss isn't perfect, Portis isn't perfect...etc. So yeah, then you call for Brunell's head, get Campbell, and as soon as he isnt perfect, call for his head.

I think a lot of us preseason, were thinking this would be a defensive mided football team, with a stronger offense than last year (cause thats what I was thinking). Well, one unit has met expectations, one hasn't, IMO. So rather than blame the unit that did meet expectations, I'm fed up with the one that didn't.

there's a flaw in your arguement there. the PPG and YPG are up because of the massive amounts of garbage time an how it was used. when we needed three scores, we made no attempt to get more than 10 yards at a time and move slowly down the field. (bombs away is how you get multiple scores, of course, but with the higher chance to actually win (instead of pad stats), there's a higher chance of turnovers, less chance of yardage (more incompletes), and less chance of points (if you're down 14 and take 4 minutes when you start with 4:30 to go, the defense doesn't really care as much about letting you in).

The offense was on fire for the texans and jags, but beside that, in the competitive parts of games, they've been somewhat invisible. last year they were more clutch (putting up 35 when it still mattered vs TB, 19 and like 322yards passing vs DEN, a decent showing vs SD, KC, etc), and then the defense became clutch down the stretch. this year we've had 2 games of killer offense and 5 games of bad offense until garbage time kicked in. that's NOT better overall, even if you expected no change at all.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

there's a flaw in your arguement there. the PPG and YPG are up because of the massive amounts of garbage time an how it was used. when we needed three scores, we made no attempt to get more than 10 yards at a time and move slowly down the field.

The offense was on fire for the texans and jags, but beside that, in the competitive parts of games, they've been somewhat invisible. last year they were more clutch (putting up 35 when it still mattered vs TB, 21 and like 400yards passing vs DEN, a decent showing vs SD, etc), and then the defense became clutch down the stretch. this year we've had 2 games of killer offense and 5 games of badd offense until garbage time kicked in. that's NOT better overall, even if you expected no change at all.

I thought the offense had good first halves vs both TEN and Indy.

They were more clutch last year, obviously. Which explains the descrepency between 3.8 estimated wins and 2 actual wins. This team isn't getting it done at crunch time on either side of the ball.

But if you ask yourself why that is, it eventually boils down to a relative degree of chance. Theres no other real reason for why this team has all their good plays when it doesn't matter. Law of averages says if you stay the course, it will even out. Athletes are always under extreme pressure, and every offense in the league will struggle at times and succeed at others. I believe this poor clutch performance is due almost entirely to chance.

Or maybe there's a higher power up there who is seeking vengence on Mark Brunell, and causing the defense to struggle as long as he's the QB of the Redskins??? Is the only solution to bring in JC to reverse the curse?

I understand your garbage time arguement, but simply it affects all teams, not just the Redskins. All numbers I have access to and give have garbage time included in them, so its a double standard to say that Brunell and David Carr get yards due to garbage time, but every other QB in the league doesn't.