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View Poll Results: How well did Brunell play against the Cowboys? | |||
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14 | 8.81% |
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48 | 30.19% |
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81 | 50.94% |
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12 | 7.55% |
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4 | 2.52% |
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
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so because its not a recognized stat it's not relevant? sacks weren't always a recognized stat, but they sure were relevant, and not at all subjective. Quote:
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again, you call our arguments baseless because Passes Thrown Outside The Numbers doesn't happen to be a stat. nor Passes Thrown Before the Marker. etc. etc. just because they aren't doesn't make them irrelevant or even subjective (Aikman had a nice graphic and everything). don't you think the KINDS of passes Brunell makes effects other parts of the offense? don't you think how defenses react to Brunell's tendencies affects our running game? (how are Portis's numbers this year btw). how many times has the 'Gibbs wins every time when they get 100yds rushing' stats been debunked as near meaningless? yes, stats are a REPRESENTATION of performance, but they aren't the whole picture (that many people in the NFL say they see - not just Rat and i) which you dismiss complelety simply because it's not numerical.
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#272 |
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
Isn't this debate tired yet? We're at 270 posts and counting.
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
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But atleast it's civil. Personally, I stopped reading them once they got too long for my ADD.
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
I feel partially responsible somehow
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
and my first post in this thread was giving Brunell PROPS!
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
i just think we should bring back ramsey
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
hahaha...ur a sick puppy...he cant beat out Pennigton for a job...what a jerk-off.....
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
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I agree! Let's just be happy we won against Dallas and hope for more wins regardless as how we get them.
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#279 |
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
No arguement here, in fact this is a great point. Saunders' system seems to be pretty universal, but its a far cry from the Gibbs/Musgrave system which taylored to Brunells strengths. I mean how often these days do you see Brunell throw that godly accurate touch pass? Pretty much never.
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
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I actually agree with your post up to a certain point, but I'm afraid you missed the main part of my point again. I'm not trying to call you out or anything. Let me simplify everything for a second. We are going to take Mark Brunell out of the equation. Lets examine this situation from the start. Quarterback B is producing good stats this year, in a YAC based offense. Quarterback B played in a different, also YAC based offense in 2005. Quarterback B argueably should have been a pro bowler in 2005 due to a weak NFC QBing class. Quarterback B's numbers (in a different offense, but certainly no more YAC-based) have improved in 2006 over his fairly impressive 2005. Some fans still think Quarterback B should be benched. All of the above statements are either facts, or very reasonable assumptions. Now, it can be argued that I'm oversimplifying a situation. But no matter how bad the situation is being simplified, the final sentence seems to make absolutely no sense given the above statements. There is always going to be some reasoning to explain it, like offensive additions of godly talent at the wide receiver position that make Santana Moss look like a camp scrub, or that maybe the new offense is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the playcalling is made by Albert Einstein's son. But no matter what you say, the final statement will still seem (and is of course) somewhat obsured. Maybe less obsured once you get the whole picture i.e. haven't missed a Redskin game since September 2003 like me, or much earlier like some of you. But obsured none the less. It's ridiculous to think benching Brunell would improve the team. If you have the coaches tape, this would most likely be apparent. But we don't so all we have is live game coverage when our emotions are at the strongest and our judgement is most clouded. Not saying our eyes decieve us, but you shouldn't make assumptions about what he is/isn't doing. Some things will be obvious, most won't. But stats are stats. For everyone. It's the only thing we have that's consistent with what the coaches have. Theres strong statistical evidence to suggest Jason Campbell will become one of the better QBs in the NFL. But what can't be predicted is how he will play in his first few starts, which is what we are talking about when we say "bench Brunell." Espicially when Brunell is doing everything that's asked of him so far. Quote:
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
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Niiiiice. Here's a hypothetical for you. A team with a struggling but proven Vet decides to bench said Vet. They go on to win their first game with their well versed but essentially 'new' QB. The next game they play away and come close to another victory. Was that a good decision? Should they go back to Bledsoe...bugger, I meant the hypothetical QB. If anyone (other than the coaching staff, and please try to remember coaches can get it wrong) can truthfully say that Brunell is the only option for winning that we have I'd like to see their evidence. I don't want stats, you can make stats say anything and it doesn't show the intangibles like what a charge having a cannon-arm in at QB would bring. We need to start Campbell. That's a fact. |
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#284 |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Re: Give Props to Brunell
You know what would be a nice birthday present? Putting this thread to sleep. It's giving me a headache. Some of these posts are like thesis papers!
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