Gibbs: Duckett Will Carry on Short Yardage

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Betts, Cartright and Sellers could have carried the load if Portis had to miss time. Look what happened to Green Bay last year? They lost all their RB's and Samkon Gado came in and ran the ball well. Carolina had two backs go down last year. Some 3rd string guy named Nick Goings comes in and plays well. You see it all around the league where guys get hurt and someone comes in and plays well. The trade was bad in hindsight and it was bad when they made it. You just can't panic when someone gets hurt and give away valubale picks. This is one of the reasons the team has no quality depth.

I agree with you 100% and said exactly the same thing in another recent post. The Duckett trade was a panic move that did not have to be made under the circumstances. Now if they resign Duckett to a modest contract before the FA period begins, then I may have second thoughts about it. The way it stands now,a trade like that "sucks" because there's not another GM in the league that would have made a move like that. Gibbs was about to make a simular move involving John Abraham during FA earlier this year when he though we may not get Andre Carter, that's why he found himself in the position of defending his position to the media earlier in the week about the way the FO does business. For all who think it was a good move, or the right one to make (if we don't resign Duckett), come draft day this spring, and we watch what would have been our 3rd round pick go to Atlanta (or someplace else depending on what they decide to do with the pick) we may have second thoughts as to the value of such a move.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I agree with you 100% and said exactly the same thing in another recent post. The Duckett trade was a panic move that did not have to be made under the circumstances. Now if they resign Duckett to a modest contract before the FA period begins, then I may have second thoughts about it. The way it stands now,a trade like that "sucks" because there's not another GM in the league that would have made a move like that. Gibbs was about to make a simular move involving John Abraham during FA earlier this year when he though we may not get Andre Carter, that's why he found himself in the position of defending his position to the media earlier in the week about the way the FO does business. For all who think it was a good move, or the right one to make (if we don't resign Duckett), come draft day this spring, and we watch what would have been our 3rd round pick go to Atlanta (or someplace else depending on what they decide to do with the pick) we may have second thoughts as to the value of such a move.

I don't think they are going to resign him unless they franchise him. They will make him an offer but someone else is going to be able to pay him a lot more money. Someone like Pittsburgh or Philadelphia. So basically another draft pick down the drain.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think they are going to resign him unless they franchise him. They will make him an offer but someone else is going to be able to pay him a lot more money. Someone like Pittsburgh or Philadelphia. So basically another draft pick down the drain.

The Skins are going to have to resign Betts or Duckett. Which one?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 61cad

The Skins are going to have to resign Betts or Duckett. Which one?

If it was up to me, I would use a 2nd day pick on a back. Rutgers' Brian Leonard is a college fullback who would probably be drafted as an NFL power tailback. He might have gone first day if he came out last year, but this year he has been overshadowed by a Heisman caliber performance from Ray Rice. Also, NIU's Garrett Wolfe is a small guy with great speed and elusiveness, and could return kicks for us. These guys could both fall 3rd round or later, so theres no need to resign either Betts or Duckett. However its a buyers market for backs right now, so I expect them to let Betts and Duckett test the water, and sign back relatively cheaply.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If it was up to me, I would use a 2nd day pick on a back. Rutgers' Brian Leonard is a college fullback who would probably be drafted as an NFL power tailback. He might have gone first day if he came out last year, but this year he has been overshadowed by a Heisman caliber performance from Ray Rice. Also, NIU's Garrett Wolfe is a small guy with great speed and elusiveness, and could return kicks for us. These guys could both fall 3rd round or later, so theres no need to resign either Betts or Duckett. However its a buyers market for backs right now, so I expect them to let Betts and Duckett test the water, and sign back relatively cheaply.

nah, BL is going to be drafted as a V back, to block, run and catch... kinda like griffith in atlanta or alstott in tampa... he'll probably still go towards the end of the first day.

and we won't have a 3rd round pick to use on an RB. we can FA sign a CB and draft a DE with our 1, then it's just roster fill, so resigning betts would be a good idea unless someone blows him away, which i doubt.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If it was up to me, I would use a 2nd day pick on a back. Rutgers' Brian Leonard is a college fullback who would probably be drafted as an NFL power tailback. He might have gone first day if he came out last year, but this year he has been overshadowed by a Heisman caliber performance from Ray Rice. Also, NIU's Garrett Wolfe is a small guy with great speed and elusiveness, and could return kicks for us. These guys could both fall 3rd round or later, so theres no need to resign either Betts or Duckett. However its a buyers market for backs right now, so I expect them to let Betts and Duckett test the water, and sign back relatively cheaply.

Good God, man -- we have to draft defense next year, don't we?

Betts is as good as gone, and no way will the Skins let go of Duckett after what they gave up to get him. Cartwright will spend one more season in Washington, then he'll be elsewhere.

But the focus HAS to be on the defense -- 2 defensive linemen, 2 linebackers, 2 corners, a safety ... a complete overhaul is needed.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Good God, man -- we have to draft defense next year, don't we?

Betts is as good as gone, and no way will the Skins let go of Duckett after what they gave up to get him. Cartwright will spend one more season in Washington, then he'll be elsewhere.

But the focus HAS to be on the defense -- 2 defensive linemen, 2 linebackers, 2 corners, a safety ... a complete overhaul is needed.

we've got 4 picks, and you can't count on a 5, 6, or 7 to be starters either.

#1 DE
#5 DB
#6 ??
#7 ??
UD P

of course we could trade down, and some FAs will be available (like clements) which helps, but having more draft picks would be even better.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we've got 4 picks, and you can't count on a 5, 6, or 7 to be starters either.

#1 DE
#5 DB
#6 ??
#7 ??
UD P

of course we could trade down, and some FAs will be available (like clements) which helps, but having more draft picks would be even better.

I have this feeling we're going to waste two more late round picks are OL that we're just going to cut. Honestly, I feel like Bugel, if anyone, has had the game pass him by.

[Master4Caster]

When Duckett was at Michigan State, he was big and fast. I'm glad to see him in games - finally - but short yardage would be a waste of talent if that's all he was used for.

Philadelphia - first carry from scrimmage -12 yards; second carry - 4 yards. Guess that fall-off worried the coaches. Maybe he's not showing something in practice.



As for next year, it's clear that Betts fits the Al Saunders offense more than TJ. I think the Skins make their move there. Can't criticize the move.

The Giants have a huge hole at RB next year. "Hello, LaVar. Got the name of a good real estate agent?"

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Master4Caster

When Duckett was at Michigan State, he was big and fast.

Rock Cartwright played for Conroe TX when I was in school (I went to Silsbee and we played them on their turf ass field every year... they were good....) and he was known as an all around back. He was a big guy, but he was faster than probably anybody on our team except Detrice Spearman. Detrice was our star running back, but he played Linebacker when we played Conroe and Port Neches Groves, to stop their running attacks.

Rock rushed for something like 2000 yards his senior year and would blow up anyobdy that tried to tackle him... and I believe he split time with another senior, who alot of guys would say was better than Rock... even though that other guy is probably working at mcdonalds now lol....

Its amazing how the game speeds up at the different levels...

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think they are going to resign him unless they franchise him. They will make him an offer but someone else is going to be able to pay him a lot more money. Someone like Pittsburgh or Philadelphia. So basically another draft pick down the drain.

Exactly, and rumor had it that the reason they signed him in the first place was they were afraid he may go to Philadelphia and have to be concerned with defending him. Now I can understand your having that kind of respect for a RB, but not to the tune of a 3rd round pick. There is no scenerio where you stand to win in this situation. We loose all the way around.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Exactly, and rumor had it that the reason they signed him in the first place was they were afraid he may go to Philadelphia and have to be concerned with defending him. Now I can understand your having that kind of respect for a RB, but not to the tune of a 3rd round pick. There is no scenerio where you stand to win in this situation. We loose all the way around.

this arguement makes me laugh. the eagles run the ball about 10-15 times a game, and westbrooke gets about 10 of them. no back is going to do much carrying the ball about 5 times a game. and duckett is certainly not jim brown

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The Duckett trade was a panic move that did not have to be made under the circumstances.

You're entitled to believe that but given the fact the move was made it was obvious the coaches didn't see it as a panic move at that time.

When they made the move it wasn't clear how long CP may have been out, or if it was something that would linger or become a bigger problem down the road.

It was an insurance move, easy to say in hindsight that it wasn't needed but at the time I remember alot of people here applauding the move.