The Portis move in hindsight

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I got killed when I brought this up a few weeks ago. But it's a good subject to talk about. Gibbs was away from the NFL for 11 years. He should not have been given ANY authority on personel. If a real GM was here that person should have told Gibbs that Betts has the ability to be an everydown back, and there was no need to deal for Portis. He's a 2nd rounder and those players should become your starters, not backups. He was a very productive player in college. So IMO another bad move by Gibbs.

The problem is that, until this season, Betts hasn't been healthy enough to be an every down back in this league. And his sick 4.1 yards/carry for his career isn't exactly awe inspiring. Especially, not for a change of pace back. By contrast, Tatum Bell has averaged 5 yards/carry and I don't think he's THAT good. Also, Betts hasn't even caught Clinton's td production for this season. AND he's a horrible blocker.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

The problem is that, until this season, Betts hasn't been healthy enough to be an every down back in this league. And his sick 4.1 yards/carry for his career isn't exactly awe inspiring. Especially, not for a change of pace back. By contrast, Tatum Bell has averaged 5 yards/carry and I don't think he's THAT good. Also, Betts hasn't even caught Clinton's td production for this season. AND he's a horrible blocker.

Beat me by one minute. But yeah, I totally agree

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

The problem is that, until this season, Betts hasn't been healthy enough to be an every down back in this league. And his sick 4.1 yards/carry for his career isn't exactly awe inspiring. Especially, not for a change of pace back. By contrast, Tatum Bell has averaged 5 yards/carry and I don't think he's THAT good. Also, Betts hasn't even caught Clinton's td production for this season. AND he's a horrible blocker.

Ok. I agree with you on that. Betts had not shown much. So let Rock C. and Kenny Watson be the back ups. Remember Kenny W? He ran well and so did Rock during the Spurrier years. I just think that you can win with average RB's. But you can't win with a bad defense. You can't hide that. I always believe that you keep the draft picks and stockpile.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Ok. I agree with you on that. Betts had not shown much. So let Rock C. and Kenny Watson be the back ups. Remember Kenny W? He ran well and so did Rock during the Spurrier years. I just think that you can win with average RB's. But you can't win with a bad defense. You can't hide that. I always believe that you keep the draft picks and stockpile.

You couldn't have made the argument about the D till this year. They were fine with Smoot and Springs. They were okay with Springs and Harris last year and they were better with Springs and Rogers till this year. If they had drafted a defensive guy, he wouldn't have seen the field anyway, because apparently Williams doesn't care how a vet is playing, he won't pull him for a rookie.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

You couldn't have made the argument about the D till this year. They were fine with Smoot and Springs. They were okay with Springs and Harris last year and they were better with Springs and Rogers till this year. If they had drafted a defensive guy, he wouldn't have seen the field anyway, because apparently Williams doesn't care how a vet is playing, he won't pull him for a rookie.

Your correct. BUT A GM would have saw this coming. Springs has a history of not staying healthy and it started to catch up with him last year. And it sure caught him this year. So a young corner OR TWO was in need. They got Joe S. off the scrap heap. Wynn was getting and is old. Same for Daniels. Where are the drafted young quality replacements that are being groomed in the system? We don't have any and that's why teams like TB run us over.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Your correct. BUT A GM would have saw this coming. Springs has a history of not staying healthy and it started to catch up with him last year. And it sure caught him this year. So a young corner OR TWO was in need. They got Joe S. off the scrap heap. Wynn was getting and is old. Same for Daniels. Where are the drafted young quality replacements that are being groomed in the system? We don't have any and that's why teams like TB run us over.

And a single second round draft pick two years ago would have fixed all those problems?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

And a single second round draft pick two years ago would have fixed all those problems?

That was gonna be my reply exactly.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

That was gonna be my reply exactly.

Of course not. But you don't give up two starters for one. If your going to make that trade then we are the ones who should have gotten the better end of the deal. If not then Gibbs should have sat Bailey down and told him things are gonna change. Or they should have just paid the man and not traded him at all. Some of it was over money. They pay everyone else so why not Bailey? You already know he can ball. So you go out and pay AA and AC but not the best corner in the league? C'mon.

[724Skinsfan]

We knew Champ wanted to leave which meant everyone who we would be trading with knew as well. The "other team" had the upper hand in negotiations.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Ok. I agree with you on that. Betts had not shown much. So let Rock C. and Kenny Watson be the back ups. Remember Kenny W? He ran well and so did Rock during the Spurrier years. I just think that you can win with average RB's. But you can't win with a bad defense. You can't hide that. I always believe that you keep the draft picks and stockpile.

So the defense has been bad for the first time since Portis has been here and Betts had one exceptional game and all of the sudden(three years later) getting Portis was a bad move... talk about a knee jerk.

And I can't even comment on a Kenny Watson reference...