The Portis move in hindsight

[SmootSmack]

Golston, Montgomery, Evans, Boschetti...we have some decent young talent.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Golston, Montgomery, Evans, Boschetti...we have some decent young talent.

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

Montgomery is also a rookie, just like Golston. Boschetti is so-so overall, I agree. I like Evans, in the right situations I think he can do and does do pretty good.

The point is we do have young linemen that we can develop. I agree though that we need another stud in the middle, not quite a superstar but close to it.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

4.1 yards per carry for his career isn't exactly playing well. Niether are the 2 td's he's amassed this season...giving him 8 total for his career.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

4.1 yards per carry for his career isn't exactly playing well. Niether are the 2 td's he's amassed this season...giving him 8 total for his career.

Listen. I'm not saying Betts is better than Portis cause he's not. All I'm trying to say is that you can win with Betts as your starting RB. But you have to give the guy a chance to come into his own. Has Betts ever had the chance to be the full time starter here? No. He has only been a back-up. Players need to mature and sometimes it takes some players longer than others. That 4.1 yards per carry means nothing. When Portis came here he was averaging over 5 yards per carry. I know it's gone down since he has come here. Does that mean Portis isn't as good as he use to be? No. So don't judge a guy buy that stat. And the 2 TD's? He's not going to score as much as Portis becasue Portis has had the majority of the carries. Judge Betts TD totals at the end of the season.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

All I'm trying to say is that you can win with Betts as your starting RB.

I've said this before about this same subject... The Washington Redskins are 2-6 when Ladell Betts starts. What is your proof or even logic for that comment?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Listen. I'm not saying Betts is better than Portis cause he's not. All I'm trying to say is that you can win with Betts as your starting RB. But you have to give the guy a chance to come into his own. Has Betts ever had the chance to be the full time starter here? No. He has only been a back-up. Players need to mature and sometimes it takes some players longer than others. That 4.1 yards per carry means nothing. When Portis came here he was averaging over 5 yards per carry. I know it's gone down since he has come here. Does that mean Portis isn't as good as he use to be? No. So don't judge a guy buy that stat. And the 2 TD's? He's not going to score as much as Portis becasue Portis has had the majority of the carries. Judge Betts TD totals at the end of the season.

Okay...Betts has 1 td in 3 starts. Portis played in 9 games and had 7 tds. Betts has played in all of those and scored twice. Clinton for his career is still averaging 4.7 a carry, so he really hasn't fallen off that much.

Also, Betts got here before Clinton, if he were so good he would have been the guy then. Part of the reason he never got the chance to start is cause, like I said, he CAN'T STAY HEALTHY.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

Except for the fumbles, missed blocks, and random injuries...

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

Stats time again. Prior to this season, how many games has Ladell had at least 20 carries in a contest? Exactly twice. Twice in a four year span, twice in 48 games.

Not coincidentally (IMO), anyway, in both games he got 20 or more carries, he went for a hunny and hit paydirt.

In '06, he's had three games with 20+ carries, and went for 100+ in 2 of them. He made up for the Philly game in which he only got 83, by dropping 124/1TD on Houston earlier in the year on 16 carries.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by dgack

Stats time again. Prior to this season, how many games has Ladell had at least 20 carries in a contest? Exactly twice. Twice in a four year span, twice in 48 games.

Not coincidentally (IMO), anyway, in both games he got 20 or more carries, he went for a hunny and hit paydirt.

In '06, he's had three games with 20+ carries, and went for 100+ in 2 of them. He made up for the Philly game in which he only got 83, by dropping 124/1TD on Houston earlier in the year on 16 carries.

While we're basing things on the Houston game...let's put Brunell back in!

Seriously though, he is usually hurt. He missed some of the preseason this year too. He's only once played in more than 12 games. He'll do it this year, but that's only twice in 5 years.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

While we're basing things on the Houston game...let's put Brunell back in!

Hey, I'm looking at stats of games played, to refute the notion that Betts has had "one good game". The fact is, he historically runs well when he gets carries comparable with a starting NFL RB. When he gets 5-10 carries in a game, of course he's not going to blow anybody's skirt up.

When he gets opportunities, he has taken advantage of them.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by dgack

Hey, I'm looking at stats of games played, to refute the notion that Betts has had "one good game". The fact is, he historically runs well when he gets carries comparable with a starting NFL RB. When he gets 5-10 carries in a game, of course he's not going to blow anybody's skirt up.

When he gets opportunities, he has taken advantage of them.

He has been alright when given the chance. However, he hasn't been healthy enough to get a whole lot of shots with this team. Like I said before once in 5 season coming into this one he has played more than 12 games. 12!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dgack

Hey, I'm looking at stats of games played, to refute the notion that Betts has had "one good game". The fact is, he historically runs well when he gets carries comparable with a starting NFL RB. When he gets 5-10 carries in a game, of course he's not going to blow anybody's skirt up.

When he gets opportunities, he has taken advantage of them.

I think a big point a lot of people have brought up though is that he hasn't been able to take advantage of opportunities because he's always been hurt.