Does he see the same things we do?

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Gibbs had his chance at running the offense, and quite frankly his offense since coming back...SUCKS. He needs to let Saunders go 100%...Saunders has proven himself in the new NFL, Gibbs hasn't. Utilyze your weapons.

Man you guys kill me with that crap. What, because he hasnt won 2 superbowls since hes been back? I mean wtf did u think he was going to do?? Yeah we all thought and wanted things to be more po sitive INSTANTLY, but in the back of most reasonable thinking minds we knew it could take SEVERAL years. whatever, im back to wrapping.

[djnemo65]

70 Chip is right, he has the Saunders story completely backwards. It wasn"t until Gibbs stepped back in and basically asserted that the team return to redskins football, with an emphasis on controlling both lines of scrimmage, that the offense appeared to get back on track. This is typical of a guy who is an idiot to begin with, and is writing about a team he obviously hasn't followed closely enough.

One thing I love about this site is that, on those rare occasions in which a national media article actually says something positive about the Skins everyone posts variations of, yup, it's a great article, no matter how inane it's argumentation. I remember an article before last year that said how good we would be, and listed as one of the reasons the addition of Springs, who of course was coming off a Pro-Bowl caliber season with the Redskins. And nobody said, well, obviously this guy is an idiot, how could you not know we already had Springs. People LOVED it!

The fact that Baldinger is saying good things about the Skins next year is reason enough for me to worry.....

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

70 Chip is right, he has the Saunders story completely backwards. It wasn"t until Gibbs stepped back in and basically asserted that the team return to redskins football, with an emphasis on controlling both lines of scrimmage, that the offense appeared to get back on track. This is typical of a guy who is an idiot to begin with, and is writing about a team he obviously hasn't followed closely enough.

One thing I love about this site is that, on those rare occasions in which a national media article actually says something positive about the Skins everyone posts variations of, yup, it's a great article, no matter how inane it's argumentation. I remember an article before last year that said how good we would be, and listed as one of the reasons the addition of Springs, who of course was coming off a Pro-Bowl caliber season with the Redskins. And nobody said, well, obviously this guy is an idiot, how could you not know we already had Springs. People LOVED it!

The fact that Baldinger is saying good things about the Skins next year is reason enough for me to worry.....

Funny how "Redskins Football" wasn't played until Campbell was inserted. "Redskins Football" includes bombs down the field which was not possible until JC took the snaps.

Why the hell would Baldinger's comments worry you? 5-9 worries me a hell of a lot more than Baldinger.

[dmek25]

was it me, or did it seem like we threw more deep balls in the first half against new orleans, then we had all season? those throws open up the running game. this is what i expected out of Al Saunders and his offense. i guess brunell was alot worse then people thought

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dmek25

was it me, or did it seem like we threw more deep balls in the first half against new orleans, then we had all season? those throws open up the running game. this is what i expected out of Al Saunders and his offense. i guess brunell was alot worse then people thought

Yep, the blinding loyalty that Gibbs showed to Brunell superceded any rational observation of his actual abilities. And the team suffered because of it.

It's easy to look back now, but one has to wonder what might have been if:

Brunell was never brought to Washinton in the first place, going through 2004 with Patrick Ramsey to give him a second season to mature, and/or giving the reins to Jason Campbell this season if Ramsey didn't pan out.

Too often, this franchise has been focused on "win now, no matter what the costs". But we've seen that it's such huge gamble that way -- strangling the cap, losing draft picks, mortgaging the future... Sometimes players need a season or two to work the kinks out.

Now I'll brace myself for the inevitable tirades for bringing up the Ramsey-Brunell debate.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yep, the blinding loyalty that Gibbs showed to Brunell superceded any rational observation of his actual abilities. And the team suffered because of it.

It's easy to look back now, but one has to wonder what might have been if:

Brunell was never brought to Washinton in the first place, going through 2004 with Patrick Ramsey to give him a second season to mature, and/or giving the reins to Jason Campbell this season if Ramsey didn't pan out.

Too often, this franchise has been focused on "win now, no matter what the costs". But we've seen that it's such huge gamble that way -- strangling the cap, losing draft picks, mortgaging the future... Sometimes players need a season or two to work the kinks out.

Now I'll brace myself for the inevitable tirades for bringing up the Ramsey-Brunell debate.

Point 1. IMO, Brunell was put into starting QB position last year because Joe Bibbs thought that CP would do most of the hard work and MB would be there to more manage the game and NOT fuck it up more than anything else. Just pound the ball to death. But, Brunell did A LOT last year i think. He made a lot of good throws, lots of sharp and accurate ones over the middle and he got the ball into the playmakers hands. I think Joe wanted BETTER than what he did last year. When he realized that last year was probably Brunell's way of saying Goodbye to the NFL, he knew it was JC's time.....

Point 2. WOW.....what a diff scenario THAT would be...if it had worked out like that, maybe no playoffs last year but we were beast this year...lol

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Point 1. IMO, Brunell was put into starting QB position last year because Joe Bibbs thought that CP would do most of the hard work and MB would be there to more manage the game and NOT fuck it up more than anything else. Just pound the ball to death. But, Brunell did A LOT last year i think. He made a lot of good throws, lots of sharp and accurate ones over the middle and he got the ball into the playmakers hands. I think Joe wanted BETTER than what he did last year. When he realized that last year was probably Brunell's way of saying Goodbye to the NFL, he knew it was JC's time.....

Point 2. WOW.....what a diff scenario THAT would be...if it had worked out like that, maybe no playoffs last year but we were beast this year...lol

You're right. You've got to give Brunell credit for '05 -- it was the one season where he did exactly what he was supposed to do. Many of his 23 touchdowns were short throws into the endzone after Portis took us down the field. Still, he got "hot" for a stretch or two, then gradually ran out of gas (which is usually what happens with guys his age).

So yeah, without Brunell there might not have been the playoffs last year -- but I still sometimes wonder if Ramsey could have matured going through 2004 as the unquestioned starter under Gibbs' guidance. What level might he have been on in 2005?

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

You're right. You've got to give Brunell credit for '05 -- it was the one season where he did exactly what he was supposed to do. Many of his 23 touchdowns were short throws into the endzone after Portis took us down the field. Still, he got "hot" for a stretch or two, then gradually ran out of gas (which is usually what happens with guys his age).

So yeah, without Brunell there might not have been the playoffs last year -- but I still sometimes wonder if Ramsey could have matured going through 2004 as the unquestioned starter under Gibbs' guidance. What level might he have been on in 2005?

LETS THE TIRADES BEGIN!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

no really though, I liked Ramsey. If every throw he ever made wasnt that spear as soon as he made his first read, he woulda been straight. BUT, if we had let him mature......hmmm......whose to say...jesus, we could be sittin with PR lookin nice and JC ridin pine.....wow....i need to lie down now to bring some reality back into my world.....

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

yea i tried to change it after i posted it but it wont change...

all i want for christmas is some proper grammar schoolin....

I changed the title...I'll read the actual article later

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I changed the title...I'll read the actual article later

thanks i just noticed that!


YA! I GOT MY PRESENT!

I LOVE MY GRAMMA SKOOLIN!

[pg86]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Except for this:


He's completely missing the point of having two quality RBs. Both will play, although CP will technically be the #1 back.

It will be like Bush and Mcalister...I think portis might be better for sweep plays and short yardage..and betts for long yards..

[pg86]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

LETS THE TIRADES BEGIN!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
no really though, I liked Ramsey. If every throw he ever made wasnt that spear as soon as he made his first read, he woulda been straight. BUT, if we had let him mature......hmmm......whose to say...jesus, we could be sittin with PR lookin nice and JC ridin pine.....wow....i need to lie down now to bring some reality back into my world.....

Ramsey didnt diserve the right to wear #11 Rypiens number should be retired

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by pg86

It will be like Bush and Mcalister...I think portis might be better for sweep plays and short yardage..and betts for long yards..

wow......i dont think i can even dignify that fucked up statement with any response but this...

CPG/avg next year
Portis 20-25
Betts 8-10

CP Rules

[pg86]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

wow......i dont think i can even dignify that fucked up statement with any response but this...
CPG/avg next year
Portis 20-25
Betts 8-10

CP Rules

I disagree...betts is the future he's more of a gibbs guy

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by pg86

I disagree...betts is the future he's more of a gibbs guy

I kinda see where youre going but, whereas Betts gets a big hole and pops it for 10-15, Portis is gone and he's good for 60+ and a TD. I am more partial to Portis just because of his Skins loyalty but I LOVE Betts!

He is an excellent runner and could start for a big handful of teams.....