Defense let us down!

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Redskin

He has played less games then the others listed on that list, he is a fumble machine.

He has started in less games, but he has played in every game this season. Nice try though.

Shaun Alexander only played in 9 games this season and fumbled 5 times, so you're looking in the wrong division for the fumble machine.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by dgack

He has started in less games, but he has played in every game this season. Nice try though.

Shaun Alexander only played in 9 games this season and fumbled 5 times, so you're looking in the wrong division for the fumble machine.

Yea but a lot of those guys get almost double the carries he gets. Give me a fumble to carry ratio and i bet hes pretty close to the top of the list.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Yea but a lot of those guys get almost double the carries he gets. Give me a fumble to carry ratio and i bet hes pretty close to the top of the list.

You'd be wrong, again. Ladell has 196 carries in 14 games, with another 29 today. There is only one guy in the NFL who has "almost double" the carries of Ladell, and that's Larry Johnson (at 383 in 15 games). There are about 10 backs who have 250-280 carries in 14-15 games.

I don't really have the time nor feel the need to do further number crunching to "prove" that he doesn't "totally sux0r!!1!11" but at least I backed up my points with actual stats. You're more than welcome to do the math and show me fumble per carry numbers, I'd invite you to also calculate yards per carry and give me a more useful stat of fumbles per yard gained, and let me know where Ladell shows up.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by dgack

You'd be wrong, again. Ladell has 196 carries in 14 games, with another 29 today. There is only one guy in the NFL who has "almost double" the carries of Ladell, and that's Larry Johnson (at 383 in 15 games). There are about 10 backs who have 250-280 carries in 14-15 games.

I don't really have the time nor feel the need to do further number crunching to "prove" that he doesn't "totally sux0r!!1!11" but at least I backed up my points with actual stats. You're more than welcome to do the math and show me fumble per carry numbers, I'd invite you to also calculate yards per carry and give me a more useful stat of fumbles per yard gained, and let me know where Ladell shows up.

Fumble per yards gained would be pointless to this talk about how much he fumbles (we are looking for how often he fumbles not apointless comparison between yards and fumbles what would that show?),and no one is saying betts suxs, he just has a fumble problem. Tiki Barber had a major fumbling problem but you would never catch me saying he sux.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Fumble per yards gained would be pointless to this talk about how much he fumbles (we are looking for how often he fumbles not apointless comparison between yards and fumbles what would that show?),and no one is saying betts suxs, he just has a fumble problem. Tiki Barber had a major fumbling problem but you would never catch me saying he sux.

What more does the man have to prove to you guys, he shows stat after stat backing up his argument and you still keep it up, look the point is he fumbled, RB do that, but by no means did he lose the game like many narrow minded fans are saying, there just upset and need something to blame this loss on. The fact that that other guy can not understand that its the D fault we lost today is pretty funny, he keeps saying we should know the D sucks already and with that in mind Ladell should choose not to fumble, yep its true, hes a moron!

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

What more does the man have to prove to you guys, he shows stat after stat backing up his argument and you still keep it up, look the point is he fumbled, RB do that, but by no means did he lose the game like many narrow minded fans are saying, there just upset and need something to blame this loss on. The fact that that other guy can not understand that its the D fault we lost today is pretty funny, he keeps saying we should know the D sucks already and with that in mind Ladell should choose not to fumble, yep its true, hes a moron!

Im not saying the D did not lose us thios game becuase there is no doubt they did im saying Betts blew our last chance at a critical moment. Im not blaming Betts for the loss the man had a great game, just speculating if he held on to that ball what would have happened.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Fumble per yards gained would be pointless to this talk about how much he fumbles (we are looking for how often he fumbles not apointless comparison between yards and fumbles what would that show?),and no one is saying betts suxs, he just has a fumble problem. Tiki Barber had a major fumbling problem but you would never catch me saying he sux.

What's pointless about comparing how much yardage a guy gains versus how often he coughs it up? You're the one who wants to look at fumbles per carry, so you obviously want to find some way to show that per capita, he's an awful ball carrier.

Interestingly if you sort NFL rushers by average yards per carry, you'll see guys like Frank Gore, Tiki Barber, LT, Willie Parker, Freddy Taylor, and yes, Ladell Betts (9th in the league at 4.8). Guess what, all of those guys but LT also have 3 or more fumbles on the season. My point is, there is a positive correlation between higher yards per carry averages and higher fumble numbers.

My hypothesis: guys who run for more yard per carry have a greater chance of being "ridden" and "stripped", and those types of fumbles are often hard to prevent. I'll take that over guys who average 3 yards per carry and fumble a lot just because they suck at holding onto the ball in the backfield. *cough*ReubenDroughns*cough*

[Twilbert07]

OUr defense sucks. They cost us the game, unable to hold onto a multiple-TD lead again. Gregg Williams had his chance, and he's getting worse. I guess Gibbs will keep him around, but I hope he's never referred to as a defensive genius again. Today was the worst effort in a long time by the D.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

OUr defense sucks. They cost us the game, unable to hold onto a multiple-TD lead again. Gregg Williams had his chance, and he's getting worse. I guess Gibbs will keep him around, but I hope he's never referred to as a defensive genius again. Today was the worst effort in a long time by the D.

I don't think GW all of a sudden forgot how to coach. Sometimes you have to look at the players. The players just are not any good. Marshall and Holdman just can't get off blocks. Both need to be replaced. Or move Marshall back to weakside cause he's just too small for MLB. Daniels can't get any pressure at all. Rogers is looking like a total bust. Taylor just want's to do his own thing and hit people. Move his ass to LB cause he doesn't want to cover anybody. Fox can't play. I love Jimoh on teams but DO NOT let him cover anybody. Need I go on?

[ncskinsfanec]

This was just another in a long line of demorilizingly close losses this season. It just makes me sick, we are so close to being really good but we always seem to stub our toe at the very worst times. I think we'll at least get a very good draft pick from this mess of a season. Hopefully next season will be better, I know it couldn't be any worse. I guess we'll find out in about nine months.

[Crat92]

Please draft Lamar Woodley from Michigan! The pass rush is awful!