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Look at Russ Grimm in Pittsburgh, they are talking about him being the new head coach should Cowher retire. Green has a ton of knowledge that could really help us.
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The D has hit rock bottom. They have been gashed by just about every back they've faced, and they've given up a ton of big plays in the passing game. Outside of about 2-3 solid performances they've been downright awful, the worst overall D we've seen here in years. I have no problem saying they are the main reason we are 5-10. No problem at all. |
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Re: Worst Defense in the NFL
So, after this showing against the Rams, doesn't it say that the performance we saw against the Saints was more due to the Saints having a bad day?
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Re: Worst Defense in the NFL
Our defense is horrible and lost us at least 4 games just by themselves. Anyone who can't see that isn't paying close enough attention. Just because the offense didn't go out and score 35 points every game doesn't make it their fault. The defense has to be able to maintain field position, stop teams on 3rd down, stop teams at the end of the game and create some turnovers. We basically didn't do any of those things. I think it is not a stretch to say that if our defense was even middle of the road this year our offense probably averages 4 or 5 more points a game simply because of field possession and time of possession.
Our offense was OK and our defense was horrid. That adds up to 5-10. Plus this team is predicated on relying on our D based on the last 2 years. The whole offensive "tweaking" was made thinking that our D would keep us in games as we adjusted early on. Too bad that didn't work out. |
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Re: Worst Defense in the NFL
This got me thinking about a specific play versus the Rams. Rocky was playing outside and I think someone motioned for him at the last minute to play the middle to stop the run. He got there just as the ball was snapped and dove forward stopping Stephen Jackson from getting the conversion. Nice play but it underlined the fact that a lot of our guys look like they don't know what they are supposed to be doing out there. Pierce was great at getting his guys into position and barking out his observations to his teammates to get them ready for the current play. Who does that for us now?
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I think it was a combo of the Saints being off that day and our D actually played well for a change. We seemed to have a great game plan that day and everyone was flying to the ball. But those days have been few and far between.
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The defense played very well last year (9th overall) without Pierce, Smoot, and very little by way of contribution from LaVar for the last two seasons. Lemar Marshall was an overachiever at the MLB position, and this season played after having offseason shoulder surgery. The loss of Pierson Prioleau and Ryan Clark, coupled with the injuries to Shawn Springs really hurt the secondary, but not to the extent we go from 9th in the league to last. The defense this year did not play with the same disposition it did the past two seasons. They were not attacking the ball in the same fashion which in many ways explains their lack of take-a-way's. I'm inclined to agree with Phillip Daniels when he said he felt it was overconfidence. "We thought we could just roll our helmets out there and get a win".
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The term "fumbler" means different things to different people. Earnest Byner was not a "fumbler", but he is probably best known for fumbling in the 1987 AFC Championship game against Denver. He might have put the ball on the ground one or two other times for the rest of his career. Stephen Davis on the other hand, and to a certain extent, Gerald Riggs were fumblers. I'd say if you fumble it two times or more in the same season, you've earned the label. Betts did it against Tampa Bay and against the Rams (that I can think of). That's not as agregious as say, Tiki Barber - who was also known as a notorious fumbler before Coughlin started coaching him - but it does start to raise the eyebrows. Like it or not, in this league if you fumble it more than once in a season, and have demonstrated a history of it -- your a fumbler. Plain and simple. |
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LT and LJ and Steven Jackson has 2 so they are fumblers also right?... Tiki Barber 3..Shaun Alexander ....4...Willie Parker and Frank Gore 5 ...fumblers? Why don't all these guys be benched they are awful backs!!! |
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Anyhoo, as to your challenge, get ready to eat up... Minimum 75 rushes, running backs in '06 without any fumbles: Marion Barber (DAL) Clinton Portis Jerius Norwood (ATL) Cedric Benson (CHI) Lamont Jordan (OAK) Those with just one in '06: Joseph Addai (IND) Brian Westbrook (PHI) Thomas Jones (CHI) Maurice Jones-Drew (JACK) Julius Jones (DAL) Warrick Dunn (ATL) DeAngelo Williams (CAR) Lawrence Maroney (NE) The list goes on and on. Again, the term means different things to different people. "Fast" Willie Parker has 5 fumbles for the year. And there were many RBs that had 2 or 3 fumbles. To me, Betts just hasn't had enough carries over his career to be labelled either way, but I think he's getting there. Is he the worst fumbler ever? No. Does he fumble? Yes. Take that any way you want. |
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I have acknowledged the the defense has been awful. It's certainly part of the equation...but come on. The Redskins have failed to score at least 20 points 9 times this season, and it would have been 10 if not for a garbage time touchdown against the Colts. That's bad, but what's worse is that they lost 7 of those 9 games. In three of them (first Giants game, first Cowboys game, first Philly game) the offense didn't score a touchdown. In two others, they only scored one. This is the NFL. 20 points per game isn't a good offense, it's an average one. Now if you want to get into reasons why the offense hasn't been consistantly effective- Portis, Campbell, Saunders, poor execution, inept playcalling, whatever you like- that's an entirely seperate matter. But the bottom line is that week after week, drives have stalled and critical points have been lost. Is the defense awful? Sure- but I'm still not buying the idea that this team's woes are due to the defense any more than the offense. |
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