Sugar bowl fiasco...not right!

[itvnetop]

i'd also have to mention the fact that ND gets to keep all of its revenue for being in this game... while every other school has to split the amount with its conference. cry me a river, ND.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

i'd also have to mention the fact that ND gets to keep all of its revenue for being in this game... while every other school has to split the amount with its conference. cry me a river, ND.

Notre Dame shouldn't have to apologize for being independent. Army, Navy, and Temple all are too. The Air Force is apparently in the Mountain West Conference. However, I'm pretty sure Navy went to a bowl game too, I don't have a problem with them getting to keep the revenue.

As for LSU, they're sharing with the SEC who had 9 of their 12 teams heading to bowl games. Somehow, I don't think that sharing that revenue is gonna kill LSU.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Notre Dame shouldn't have to apologize for being independent.

And LSU shouldn't have to apologize for being selected to the sugar bowl.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

And LSU shouldn't have to apologize for being selected to the sugar bowl.

No one said LSU had to apologize.
The selection committee should. They should not allow it.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Notre Dame shouldn't have to apologize for being independent. Army, Navy, and Temple all are too. The Air Force is apparently in the Mountain West Conference. However, I'm pretty sure Navy went to a bowl game too, I don't have a problem with them getting to keep the revenue.

The thing is service academies rarely get to a bowl game (hence, they can afford to be independent) and when they do, it's an extremely low payout.

I'm not saying ND is wrong for taking advantage of their status... just don't cry about homefield advantage when you're getting a BCS payout of 8 million dollars, while everyone else has to share it with 9 or 11 other teams.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

The thing is service academies rarely get to a bowl game (hence, they can afford to be independent) and when they do, it's an extremely low payout.

I'm not saying ND is wrong for taking advantage of their status... just don't cry about homefield advantage when you're getting a BCS payout of 8 million dollars, while everyone else has to share it with 9 or 11 other teams.

ND isn't crying.
Also, all those teams have advantages to being in conferences, ND has none for being independant, other than not sharing bowl money.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by jsarno

ND isn't crying.
Also, all those teams have advantages to being in conferences, ND has none for being independant, other than not sharing bowl money.

you're right that ND has no scheduling advantages for being an independent- they annually have pretty tough schedules.

but b/c they are ND, they have inherent advantages. they are the only school with an exclusive television contract with a major network. they have support b/c of their fan base. they can afford to be independent b/c of this.

and b/c ND is this powerful, they are considered for BCS bowls with sketchy portfolios. here are ND's wins this season:

Georgia Tech
Penn St.
Purdue
Stanford
UCLA
Navy
North Carolina
Air Force
Army

I'm sorry, I'm not really impressed by any of those wins. UCLA, possibly. In fact, their schedule this season is weaker than in year's past, playing three service academies (all respect due to the armed forces).

10-2 is a solid record, but how does a 2 loss ND get a BCS invitation over a 1 loss Wisconsin (the capital one bowl???)?

If any other major conference school had the same schedule and results as ND this season (with maybe one quality win), they would not be in the sugar bowl. ND gets plenty of advantages because of who they are.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

you're right that ND has no scheduling advantages for being an independent- they annually have pretty tough schedules.

but b/c they are ND, they have inherent advantages. they are the only school with an exclusive television contract with a major network. they have support b/c of their fan base. they can afford to be independent b/c of this.

and b/c ND is this powerful, they are considered for BCS bowls with sketchy portfolios. here are ND's wins this season:

Georgia Tech
Penn St.
Purdue
Stanford
UCLA
Navy
North Carolina
Air Force
Army

I'm sorry, I'm not really impressed by any of those wins. UCLA, possibly. In fact, their schedule this season is weaker than in year's past, playing three service academies (all respect due to the armed forces).

10-2 is a solid record, but how does a 2 loss ND get a BCS invitation over a 1 loss Wisconsin (the capital one bowl???)?

If any other major conference school had the same schedule and results as ND this season (with maybe one quality win), they would not be in the sugar bowl. ND gets plenty of advantages because of who they are.

You forgot Mich State. If I remember correctly, Georgia Tech, Purdue and Penn ST were all ranked in the top 25 when ND played them. Throw in Navy (9-3 before bowl game) they might have been in the top 25, and UCLA ended in the top 25 (I think)...they had a tough schedule. Sorry man, maybe ND has had harder schedules, but this season was no cake walk, and most teams have much easier schedules.

I will agree with your Wisconsin assessment, but ND sells, and Wisconsin doesn't, which is why I firmly believe that the NCAA should adopt a playoff system. Money is the deciding factor in too many things for the NCAA...it's wrong.