Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

If we trade CP and keep either Lloyd or Archuletta...the earth might open up and swallow FedEx Field. What kind of message would that say to the players? If that happens, we won't win more than 5 games.

[skinsfan69]

why would det. trade for portis when they already have a good young runner in k. jones? makes no sense.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

why would det. trade for portis when they already have a good young runner in k. jones? makes no sense.

Could be a three way deal, if it is true. This is all wild speculation. But it could be a three way deal, to unload Kevin Jones to another team and bring in Portis.

[SmootSmack]

I haven't heard anything other than the rumors speculated on message boards.

[jdlea]

Detroit could use Clinton Portis. Kevin Jones is a serviceable running back, but I don't know that I would call him "good." I think part of the problem he has is a pretty weak O Line. Also, he's never played 16 games and the past 2 years he's had his seasons cut short. Still, he only ran for 1000+ in his rookie season, since then, he hasn't cracked 700 yards. I think that's a pretty decent indictment of him.

Also, when one of the better running backs in the NFL is perceived to be available, everyone should be showing interest short of San Diego and KC. I'm not really all that surprised by the fact that the Lions would come after him and if I'm Washington, and actually looking to deal Portis, I would have to look twice at Bly and the 2nd overall. Then, they would have filled a need at corner (albeit a relatively old one) and have 2 picks in the top 6. They could shop for those or draft whoever they want.

All that said, I'm gonna be insanely pissed if Clinton Portis gets traded this offseason. I will be irrate and wish I could turn off the love of the team.

Finally, anyone think maybe Clinton rubbed the organization the wrong way with that interview? I don't mind what he said, but maybe Joe Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder/Saunders did and might be a little more open to trading him than they were before.

One other quick thing, just because Joe Gibbs categorically denied that they're trading Clinton holds very little water with me. He also said, going into the 05(?) draft that "we're gonna go get Patrick Ramsey some weapons" and then they picked Rogers and Campbell.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Detroit could use Clinton Portis. Kevin Jones is a serviceable running back, but I don't know that I would call him "good." I think part of the problem he has is a pretty weak O Line. Also, he's never played 16 games and the past 2 years he's had his seasons cut short. Still, he only ran for 1000+ in his rookie season, since then, he hasn't cracked 700 yards. I think that's a pretty decent indictment of him.

Also, when one of the better running backs in the NFL is perceived to be available, everyone should be showing interest short of San Diego and KC. I'm not really all that surprised by the fact that the Lions would come after him and if I'm Washington, and actually looking to deal Portis, I would have to look twice at Bly and the 2nd overall. Then, they would have filled a need at corner (albeit a relatively old one) and have 2 picks in the top 6. They could shop for those or draft whoever they want.

All that said, I'm gonna be insanely pissed if Clinton Portis gets traded this offseason. I will be irrate and wish I could turn off the love of the team.

Finally, anyone think maybe Clinton rubbed the organization the wrong way with that interview? I don't mind what he said, but maybe Joe Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder/Saunders did and might be a little more open to trading him than they were before.

One other quick thing, just because Joe Gibbs categorically denied that they're trading Clinton holds very little water with me. He also said, going into the 05(?) draft that "we're gonna go get Patrick Ramsey some weapons" and then they picked Rogers and Campbell.

Yeah, if Gibbs held a presser in ten minutes denying it, I would pay much attention to it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Finally, anyone think maybe Clinton rubbed the organization the wrong way with that interview? I don't mind what he said, but maybe Joe Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder/Saunders did and might be a little more open to trading him than they were before.

I really doubt it. Gibbs seems to really love Portis and everyone knows he's an outspoken guy who speaks his mind. And it's not like he even said anything bad, he was just speaking the truth.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really doubt it. Gibbs seems to really love Portis and everyone knows he's an outspoken guy who speaks his mind. And it's not like he even said anything bad, he was just speaking the truth.

Agree he didn't necessarily say anything "bad", but it still isn't good to air the team's dirty laundry in public. That stuff needs to stay in the locker room.

I'm torn on this issue of a Portis trade. It's obvious to me that Betts can be a starter, but is Cartwright a quality backup? I guess if they could work something that would benefit the team in the long run (draft picks, not a drastic salary cap hit, etc.) I'd be for it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Detroit could use Clinton Portis. Kevin Jones is a serviceable running back, but I don't know that I would call him "good." I think part of the problem he has is a pretty weak O Line. Also, he's never played 16 games and the past 2 years he's had his seasons cut short. Still, he only ran for 1000+ in his rookie season, since then, he hasn't cracked 700 yards. I think that's a pretty decent indictment of him.

Also, when one of the better running backs in the NFL is perceived to be available, everyone should be showing interest short of San Diego and KC. I'm not really all that surprised by the fact that the Lions would come after him and if I'm Washington, and actually looking to deal Portis, I would have to look twice at Bly and the 2nd overall. Then, they would have filled a need at corner (albeit a relatively old one) and have 2 picks in the top 6. They could shop for those or draft whoever they want.

All that said, I'm gonna be insanely pissed if Clinton Portis gets traded this offseason. I will be irrate and wish I could turn off the love of the team.

Finally, anyone think maybe Clinton rubbed the organization the wrong way with that interview? I don't mind what he said, but maybe Joe Gibbs/Cerrato/Snyder/Saunders did and might be a little more open to trading him than they were before.

One other quick thing, just because Joe Gibbs categorically denied that they're trading Clinton holds very little water with me. He also said, going into the 05(?) draft that "we're gonna go get Patrick Ramsey some weapons" and then they picked Rogers and Campbell.

I think he has rubbed some people the wrong way bitching about preseason. He also does not like to practice, lift weights and do the whole OTA thing. He just wants to train in South Beach which you know pisses off Gibbs. Gibbs likes the players around Redskin Park. How does it look if your best player isn't there busting his ass to set an example? I bet JC will be there. But he performs so they deal with it. So I think there is some truth to these rumors. But I don't think he's going anywhere. I hope we don't trade him either. But if the right deal comes along where the defense can be improved right away I would pull the trigger.

[MTK]

I find it hard to believe we would trade CP only because of the cap situation. Especially if we're going to can Arch and/or Lloyd.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I find it hard to believe we would trade CP only because of the cap situation. Especially if we're going to can Arch and/or Lloyd.

Only because of the cap situation? So the fact that he's a far more talented than the running back that would be replacing him shouldn't carry any weight in this situation?

But as far as all these trade talks, I'm sure it has been made aware to other teams that Portis is available, and if anyone in the Redskins front office says otherwise, they're lying. It may not have been a direct statement, but I'm sure that it leaked somehow. And with teams throwing 2nd overall picks around, I'm willing to bet that Portis is finished as a Redskin...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Only because of the cap situation? So the fact that he's a far more talented than the running back that would be replacing him should carry any weight in this situation?

But as far as all these trade talks, I'm sure it has been made aware to other teams that Portis is available, and if anyone in the Redskins front office says otherwise, they're lying. It may not have been a direct statement, but I'm sure that it leaked somehow. And with teams throwing 2nd overall picks around, I'm willing to bet that Portis is finished as a Redskin...

Of course his talent level, leadership and production are big reasons why to not trade him, I should have said the cap being one the main reasons why we won't trade him.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

But as far as all these trade talks, I'm sure it has been made aware to other teams that Portis is available, and if anyone in the Redskins front office says otherwise, they're lying. It may not have been a direct statement, but I'm sure that it leaked somehow. And with teams throwing 2nd overall picks around, I'm willing to bet that Portis is finished as a Redskin...

I think I agree with this assessment. Gibbs'll say something to the effect that you can't pass on an ace corner and the 2nd overall pick in the draft for ANYONE in the NFL. I'm guessing that would be the gist of it if he were dealt. I really can't say that I think Clinton will be back with this team next season. I really think he'll end up in some other city while the Skins are taking a player (maybe) and they're first round pick in the draft.

I think this is a serious run at Clinton being made by the Lions and the Skins are at least listening. If they do deal Clinton, though, they need another running back. Where does this guy come from? Right now, if the move happened, I'd be crying my eyes out that 1. Clinton would be gone (more than the next) and 2. because Darren McFadden isn't going into the draft.

So, where would they go if they did make this trade? Any thoughts?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I think I agree with this assessment. Gibbs'll say something to the effect that you can't pass on an ace corner and the 2nd overall pick in the draft for ANYONE in the NFL. I'm guessing that would be the gist of it if he were dealt. I really can't say that I think Clinton will be back with this team next season. I really think he'll end up in some other city while the Skins are taking a player (maybe) and they're first round pick in the draft.

I think this is a serious run at Clinton being made by the Lions and the Skins are at least listening. If they do deal Clinton, though, they need another running back. Where does this guy come from? Right now, if the move happened, I'd be crying my eyes out that 1. Clinton would be gone (more than the next) and 2. because Darren McFadden isn't going into the draft.

So, where would they go if they did make this trade? Any thoughts?

Wow, that's a total misunderstanding of Joe Gibbs. I couldn't disagree with you more. No way Portis gets traded. No way in hell.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow, that's a total misunderstanding of Joe Gibbs. I couldn't disagree with you more. No way Portis gets traded. No way in hell.

We'll see. Nothing would surprise me from this team or this coaching staff anymore. I don't buy Gibbs for a minute when he says "we're NOT trading Clinton." Like I said before, I heard that song and dance before the 05 draft when, at FedEx for the draft day party, not long before the draft, he said, "We gotta go get Patrick some weapons." They went on to draft Rogers and Campbell.

I don't disagree that he loves Clinton Portis. But I think that he thinks he could win with Betts and another back. I hope I'm wrong, but the way things have been going over the past few years, I don't know that I am. I think it's about a 40% chance Clinton is back next season. I just don't see it happening.