Rumored Portis Trade offered FROM! the Lions

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by jdlea

See though, the only thing is, Kevin Jones hasn't been that good. He's eclipsed 1000 yards only once. He hit 1133 or something like that in his rookie season and he hasn't gotten to 700 yards the last two, both of which he's ended up injured. I think the Lions might want to go out and get a Clinton Portis, it makes sense to me, why they would want him. However, they need to work on that O Line to open up some holes before they get concerned about the running back situation.

I do, however, agree that trading Dre Bly would probably be a mistake on their part. He's pretty much the only guy that concerns anyone in that defensive backfield. He can play, but he's already 29 and I don't think that the deal makes sense from the Skins standpoint other than the fact that he could be coming with the 2nd overall pick.

All in all, if people are really making offers, I guarantee the Skins are listening and they're certainly not thinking dealing Portis is out of the question. The more I think about it, the more I think his days in Burgundy and Gold are done. And that makes me angry.

So bench a guy that caught 61 balls in 12 games and trade for a guy that played in only 8 and caught only 17 out of the backfield? That doesn't make sense. While Jones has been injured the past two seasons, he is younger and fits more into the Lions offense.

Portis 693 yards (rush / rec in 8 games) 86.6 yards per game with one of the best offensive lines in the game.
Jones 1209 (rush / rec in 12 games) 100.75 yards per game with one of the worst offensive lines in the game.
If you're thinking td's...Portis had 7, Jones had 8.

I'd say that Jones was productive in his system, and one of the few bright spots the Lions have. Again, the Lions would be stupid. Address a real issue, like you said, the OL. You can be the best back in the world, but unless you're Barry Sanders, you need an OL.
I firmly beleive that we will see Portis in a Skins uni next season. (98% sure)

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by jsarno

So bench a guy that caught 61 balls in 12 games and trade for a guy that played in only 8 and caught only 17 out of the backfield? That doesn't make sense. While Jones has been injured the past two seasons, he is younger and fits more into the Lions offense.

Portis 693 yards (rush / rec in 8 games) 86.6 yards per game with one of the best offensive lines in the game.
Jones 1209 (rush / rec in 12 games) 100.75 yards per game with one of the worst offensive lines in the game.
If you're thinking td's...Portis had 7, Jones had 8.

I'd say that Jones was productive in his system, and one of the few bright spots the Lions have. Again, the Lions would be stupid. Address a real issue, like you said, the OL. You can be the best back in the world, but unless you're Barry Sanders, you need an OL.
I firmly beleive that we will see Portis in a Skins uni next season. (98% sure)

Yes, because he doesn't run the football well. They could go with Portis and Jones just like Washington would be doing with Betts and Portis. I'm not saying Jones never has to see the field again. I'm saying Clinton's better.

I'm not buying your argument that Jones is a better option cause he had a better season THIS year. Betts catches a lot of balls out of the backfield too, but Clinton still carried the load.

He managed to get 1 more touchdown than Clinton in 4 more games this season. He also ran for all of 166 more yards. Clinton wasn't even all that active when he was healthy this year. Clinton is a WAY better back. Clinton's also only 1 year older. The only thing Kevin Jones does better than Clinton is catch balls outta the backfield.

If I'm Detroit I don't know that I'd offer Bly and the #2 overall for Clinton, but I would definitely make a run at him. Kevin Jones doesn't stay on the field consistently and he doesn't run nearly as well. He could be a third down guy who can go catch balls or run some draw plays. I mean really, the guy would be a really good #2 back, but I don't even think he's as good as Ladell Betts, let alone Clinton Portis.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yes, because he doesn't run the football well. They could go with Portis and Jones just like Washington would be doing with Betts and Portis. I'm not saying Jones never has to see the field again. I'm saying Clinton's better.

I'm not buying your argument that Jones is a better option cause he had a better season THIS year. Betts catches a lot of balls out of the backfield too, but Clinton still carried the load.

He managed to get 1 more touchdown than Clinton in 4 more games this season. He also ran for all of 166 more yards. Clinton wasn't even all that active when he was healthy this year. Clinton is a WAY better back. Clinton's also only 1 year older. The only thing Kevin Jones does better than Clinton is catch balls outta the backfield.

If I'm Detroit I don't know that I'd offer Bly and the #2 overall for Clinton, but I would definitely make a run at him. Kevin Jones doesn't stay on the field consistently and he doesn't run nearly as well. He could be a third down guy who can go catch balls or run some draw plays. I mean really, the guy would be a really good #2 back, but I don't even think he's as good as Ladell Betts, let alone Clinton Portis.

A lot to comment on here, so I'll try to keep it short.
First off, I do not beleive for 1 second that Jones is better than Portis. If I sounded that way, it was unintentional.
Second, in terms of running the ball well, Portis only ran for .3 yards per rush better but had a top 5 OL, while the Lions OL was a bottom 5. Also, money means a lot, and Jones is much cheaper, and has fewer miles on his legs. I'm not trying to convince you to agree with a trade or anything, I'm just pointing this out from the Lions perspective. Why trade for an injured player giving up your best CB and your #2 pick when you have a viable back already? That is my whole point.
Would I want Portis over Jones...heck yeah, any day of the week.
Jones has a lot of talent, but has not been able to show it due to lack of talent around him. That's not his fault. Put Portis in that offense, and we'd be saying, damn Portis sucks...it's not true, the OL sucks, but you can't produce as a RB in the NFL without an OL, unless you are Barry Sanders.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by jsarno

A lot to comment on here, so I'll try to keep it short.
First off, I do not beleive for 1 second that Jones is better than Portis. If I sounded that way, it was unintentional.
Second, in terms of running the ball well, Portis only ran for .3 yards per rush better but had a top 5 OL, while the Lions OL was a bottom 5. Also, money means a lot, and Jones is much cheaper, and has fewer miles on his legs. I'm not trying to convince you to agree with a trade or anything, I'm just pointing this out from the Lions perspective. Why trade for an injured player giving up your best CB and your #2 pick when you have a viable back already? That is my whole point.
Would I want Portis over Jones...heck yeah, any day of the week.
Jones has a lot of talent, but has not been able to show it due to lack of talent around him. That's not his fault. Put Portis in that offense, and we'd be saying, damn Portis sucks...it's not true, the OL sucks, but you can't produce as a RB in the NFL without an OL, unless you are Barry Sanders.

I definitely see your point and they could probably land someone with the #2 pick if they really want another guy to go ahead of Kevin Jones. It seemed like you were just saying that they'd be crazy to take Jones over Portis. I don't think giving up Bly and the #2 overall is a good idea either. If I were Washington, I'd almost have to take it if I didn't love Portis so much.