Civil Discussion About Religion

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You wrote this on a previous thread:

I appreciate your comments.
All I ask is you check out the proof I laid before you. That's it. Do you really think it's not even possible to find a loop hole in something? Just check it out, and if you still think that I'm wrong, then so be it. At least then I can honor your opinion on the subject. You say I consider opposing views, which I do...so if this is something you look for in a poster, why not practice it.
(I have seen you practice this in other areas, so why not here?)

I was planning on checking it out, but I didn't want to do it from the office. I didn't have enough time in my workday to devote to it.

I looked over your system and did what you said. I started with 5000. I put 5 on 2nd 12, 5 on 3rd 12, 5 on red, and 5 on odd. I repeated this exact betting pattern for 8 straight rolls. I was exactly breakeven after those 8 rolls. Then I began betting patterns like you said. The board shows the last 9 numbers to come up. So whenever I saw 6 or more blacks on the board, I doubled my money on black. Did the same thing when I saw 6 evens, 6 odds, or 6 reds. If I didn't see more than 6 of anything in the betting history, I went back to your original betting configuration.

After 40 rolls, I finished down 95 dollars. Reason? The wheel hit 00 or 0 three separate times, causing me to lose 25 on each one. So I was basically treading water aside from those hits on the green slots.

That's what happens. If you're going to tell me that you have to quit before 40 rolls, then you've proved my point. Over the long haul, the more spins you take, the more likely it is that you'll lose money.

If you don't like the system I used, give me another one and I'll try it. I won't try anything for less than 40 rolls, I'm looking to give it a real good test. If I rolled say 5 times and left the table up 20, I wouldn't be convinced at all. With only 5 rolls, I could have just simply gotten lucky. But if your system can win me money over the course of 40 rolls, then I'll be convinced.

[Rexi]

Atheist. "Reality wasn't created, it just is."

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Blah blah blah. Religion is simply something manifested by the human mind to provide comfort and solace when dealing with the unknown. Religion helps give humans the feeling that there is rhyme or reason to the world we live in. Religion provides the sense that there is a purpose to life: to live a good life and get into heaven. It provides comfort regarding the unknowns which humans face, like what happens to me when I die? Do I live on, or is the show over? Religion comforts humans; the presence of a higher power must surely mean that I'm in good hands, even when I'm entering the unknown: death.

People believe it because deep down they don't want to face the alternative: that when you die you go nowhere, your life is simply over. And that your life was not part of some grand scheme; you simply lived and died.

Those alternatives are scary, but they're the truth. Religion is just a crutch humans use to go about their daily lives in false comfort.

I couldnt disagree more,I think most people would be pretty damn happy if they didnt belive in a heaven or hell then they wouldnt have to worry about their actions on earth.It would make me happy as hell to know that once life ended that was it.
I've been going to church all my life but i wouldnt call myself a christian,been more or less forced to go by mom then married a christian and go occasionally for her sake.I feel like I'm a good person bit i'm afraid to die for fear of going to hell because of not doing everything the bible says or for not feeling the holy spirit like my wife and her fellow christians.
truth is I dont know what to believe anymore,I still pray almost everyday and ask God to protect my loved ones and so on,but then i think if there is a God he knows I'm full of shit and that i dont know whether I believe in him or not so the praying is probably for naught{but I'm still going to do it}
But getting back to the original point,it would make me happy to know that when you die that was it,but since we dont know I'm glad people believe in God because I think if they didnt this world would be a lot more fcked up then it is

[724Skinsfan]

The debate simplified:

A person of science wants to know where they came from, not where they are going.

A person of religion wants to know where they are going, not where they came from.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I couldnt disagree more,I think most people would be pretty damn happy if they didnt belive in a heaven or hell then they wouldnt have to worry about their actions on earth.It would make me happy as hell to know that once life ended that was it.
I've been going to church all my life but i wouldnt call myself a christian,been more or less forced to go by mom then married a christian and go occasionally for her sake.I feel like I'm a good person bit i'm afraid to die for fear of going to hell because of not doing everything the bible says or for not feeling the holy spirit like my wife and her fellow christians.
truth is I dont know what to believe anymore,I still pray almost everyday and ask God to protect my loved ones and so on,but then i think if there is a God he knows I'm full of shit and that i dont know whether I believe in him or not so the praying is probably for naught{but I'm still going to do it}
But getting back to the original point,it would make me happy to know that when you die that was it,but since we dont know I'm glad people believe in God because I think if they didnt this world would be a lot more fcked up then it is

I wouldn't call you religious, you have too many doubts about God's existence, heaven, hell, all that stuff. You are simply afraid of what might happen to you if it turns out there actually is a God.

Also, based on how fearful you are of God, I'm guessing you are either Catholic or Episcopalean?

[Rexi]

Something that kind of amuses me is that people tend to think that we have to come from somewhere like a creator, or omnipotent being, a god. But "God" is just omnipotent and doesn't need a creator. What great sense that makes...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I was planning on checking it out, but I didn't want to do it from the office. I didn't have enough time in my workday to devote to it.

I looked over your system and did what you said. I started with 5000. I put 5 on 2nd 12, 5 on 3rd 12, 5 on red, and 5 on odd. I repeated this exact betting pattern for 8 straight rolls. I was exactly breakeven after those 8 rolls. Then I began betting patterns like you said. The board shows the last 9 numbers to come up. So whenever I saw 6 or more blacks on the board, I doubled my money on black. Did the same thing when I saw 6 evens, 6 odds, or 6 reds. If I didn't see more than 6 of anything in the betting history, I went back to your original betting configuration.

After 40 rolls, I finished down 95 dollars. Reason? The wheel hit 00 or 0 three separate times, causing me to lose 25 on each one. So I was basically treading water aside from those hits on the green slots.

That's what happens. If you're going to tell me that you have to quit before 40 rolls, then you've proved my point. Over the long haul, the more spins you take, the more likely it is that you'll lose money.

If you don't like the system I used, give me another one and I'll try it. I won't try anything for less than 40 rolls, I'm looking to give it a real good test. If I rolled say 5 times and left the table up 20, I wouldn't be convinced at all. With only 5 rolls, I could have just simply gotten lucky. But if your system can win me money over the course of 40 rolls, then I'll be convinced.

I put in bold where you might have strayed from what I said. I didn't say to repeat it...I said stop playing the ones you win, and double the ones you lose. Did you do that and didn't explain that in your post? Or maybe I didn't explain myself well enough.
PS- I was VERY specific about leaving the table...so if you want to do a 40 roll example, there is no problem with that, just leave the table (ie: leave the website) then come back play again. That's what I do in real life, and that is what I preach to win in this system.
Also, you did not mention that you put $1 on 00 or 0 when they haven't hit after a while...did you do that? That was also in my instructions. I wasn't kidding when I said you HAVE to follow the instructions and not sway. If you do sway from the instructions, you will lose. You have to try to beat the odds through a loop hole, not beat it through straight odds...like you've pointed out, that won't work.

I went and played for EXACTLY 40 rolls, (leaving and coming back) and I "walked away" with $325. If you are losing, you're not doing it right. If you have the time, please print off the instructions, follow them, and try again. But like I said, you have to follow them 100%. Don't add your own instructions.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Rexi

Something that kind of amuses me is that people tend to think that we have to come from somewhere like a creator, or omnipotent being, a god. But "God" is just omnipotent and doesn't need a creator. What great sense that makes...

OK, using your logic, then what did start everything? Knowing that life always has a beginning, it makes sense that something "non human" started it all. So I can understand you wanting to poke holes in the theory that God started it all, but what would add value to this conversation is your theory in what actually did start it all.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I couldnt disagree more,I think most people would be pretty damn happy if they didnt belive in a heaven or hell then they wouldnt have to worry about their actions on earth.It would make me happy as hell to know that once life ended that was it.
I've been going to church all my life but i wouldnt call myself a christian,been more or less forced to go by mom then married a christian and go occasionally for her sake.I feel like I'm a good person bit i'm afraid to die for fear of going to hell because of not doing everything the bible says or for not feeling the holy spirit like my wife and her fellow christians.
truth is I dont know what to believe anymore,I still pray almost everyday and ask God to protect my loved ones and so on,but then i think if there is a God he knows I'm full of shit and that i dont know whether I believe in him or not so the praying is probably for naught{but I'm still going to do it}
But getting back to the original point,it would make me happy to know that when you die that was it,but since we dont know I'm glad people believe in God because I think if they didnt this world would be a lot more fcked up then it is

I agree...if everyone knew that there were no repercussions for their actions, chaos would apply. I truely feel that everyone would be 100% out for themselves. I shouldn't say everyone, some would still have their own sense of right and wrong, but a lot would test the police.

If you pray to God, you do beleive in Him. Sure you have questions and doubt, but most everyone does. I don't pray to Mary, because I do not beleive her to be devine, or even there to listen. To me, she's just a dead person...a popular person in history, but a person none the less. I don't pray to her because I have absolutely no beleif in her...if I did, then I would. (this is in no way a slur on Catholics, just making a point). So obviously you do beleive in God somewhat. I would wager you just have difficulty understanding what MAN has taught you to this point. Even a little misguided because the bible can be overwhelming to understand.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I wouldn't call you religious, you have too many doubts about God's existence, heaven, hell, all that stuff. You are simply afraid of what might happen to you if it turns out there actually is a God.

Also, based on how fearful you are of God, I'm guessing you are either Catholic or Episcopalean?

haha! I wish i believed in the catholic religion because from what i understand someone like me would go to purgatory and other people could pray you into heaven and i've got a lot of people praying for me!lol
I might be wrong on that but thats what i heard
I was raised in the church of the nazerene,I guess i would call myself a protestant
oh,and I'm not afraid of God,I'm afraid of not meeting him!!!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

oh,and I'm not afraid of God,I'm afraid of not meeting him!!!

You'll meet him, everyone will on judgement day. Hopefully Grace will save you like everyone else. So will God save Cowboys fans? Cause I can't stand the thought of having those guys around for eternity!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You'll meet him, everyone will on judgement day. Hopefully Grace will save you like everyone else. So will God save Cowboys fans? Cause I can't stand the thought of having those guys around for eternity!

You want eternal serenity? Can you imagine how boring that would be? What better way to spend your time than snap your finger and get a game going between an All Cowboys team and an All Redskins team. This of course begs the question of weather clones or the real players will be paying in the game.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

You want eternal serenity? Can you imagine how boring that would be? What better way to spend your time than snap your finger and get a game going between an All Cowboys team and an All Redskins team. This of course begs the question of weather clones or the real players will be paying in the game.

I know this, the bible says we have no idea of what heaven is like. I like to imagine heaven as my own greatest world. Everyone's heaven would be different.
I would imagine that since humans are flawed, there are a lot of us perfectionists in the world that can be happy for a minute, but ultimately always want more. So how can we be truely happy in that world? I don't know, maybe we'll be chemically altered? Just a thought though. What if heaven is the same for everyone?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I put in bold where you might have strayed from what I said. I didn't say to repeat it...I said stop playing the ones you win, and double the ones you lose. Did you do that and didn't explain that in your post? Or maybe I didn't explain myself well enough.
PS- I was VERY specific about leaving the table...so if you want to do a 40 roll example, there is no problem with that, just leave the table (ie: leave the website) then come back play again. That's what I do in real life, and that is what I preach to win in this system.
Also, you did not mention that you put $1 on 00 or 0 when they haven't hit after a while...did you do that? That was also in my instructions. I wasn't kidding when I said you HAVE to follow the instructions and not sway. If you do sway from the instructions, you will lose. You have to try to beat the odds through a loop hole, not beat it through straight odds...like you've pointed out, that won't work.

I went and played for EXACTLY 40 rolls, (leaving and coming back) and I "walked away" with $325. If you are losing, you're not doing it right. If you have the time, please print off the instructions, follow them, and try again. But like I said, you have to follow them 100%. Don't add your own instructions.

OK I'll try it out with those modifications. If I hit on a bet, I will not bet it on the very next roll. Instead, I will double the ones I just lost on.

If I see that 0 or 00 have not come up within the last 9 rolls, I will put a dollar straddling the two of them.

When I am up, I will walk away from the website and come back. I will do this until I have rolled 40 times, and will let you know the results.

PS Let me know if I need to do anything differently.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK I'll try it out with those modifications. If I hit on a bet, I will not bet it on the very next roll. Instead, I will double the ones I just lost on.

If I see that 0 or 00 have not come up within the last 9 rolls, I will put a dollar straddling the two of them.

When I am up, I will walk away from the website and come back. I will do this until I have rolled 40 times, and will let you know the results.

PS Let me know if I need to do anything differently.

Sounds like you seem to have it. Just remember, don't get greedy and you have to walk away.