Tom "Iceman" Brady

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

There is a ton evidence. The problem is you create some lame excuse to dismiss any factual evidence that proves Brady is as good or better Qb in certain catagories. Look Manning is ONE of the great QB.

Do not take this the wrong way, but you are 18 y.o.; believe it or not there are QB's like Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Sammie Baugh, John Elway and Steve Young that have combined AWESOME TALENT and winning MULTIPLE (more than one) big games (super bowls). Tom Brady is closer to these all time greats then Manning or Dan Marino is.

You will soon realize America and the World likes a winner and Manning is not YET a winner. NOBODY remembers who came in second place.
Manning will be a winner some day. He is not yet there.
That is what seperates the great players from the all-time greats.
Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon , Fran Tarkenton, Archie Manning (peyton's dad) are players that fall in the same catagory as Peyton Manning, Great/Awesome Hall of Fame talent but never won the big games.

20 or 30 years form now your kids will watch old NFL Films of the 80's, 90's, and 2000's and they see a limited amount of a great Dan Marino, but they see a ton of 3 time SB Champ Tom Brady.
Winning is what seperates the good from the great.

Every quarterback you listed there was a truely great player. Anyone that doesn't clump Marino in there with those guys is making a big mistake.

Marino was never a champion, and I'm sure he regrets that, but he was a great Quarterback. When you talk about all time greatest QBs, Marino has to be right up there ahead of some guys who were Champions.

For my money, Elway was the greatest ever. I wasn't impressed as much about his two championships (the Broncos were over the cap both years, and the league office never caught it til 2003 when they took away some midround draft picks), as I was with the fact they came at the end of his career where he was still playing at a very high level.

I believe Peyton Manning could one day be the greatest ever. If he retired tomorrow, I'd place him short of the top 5, but in the top 10.

I don't think you are trying to say America won't remember Marino, but I'm certain they will. The guy's a hall of famer. Guys like Moon, and Archie, and Fran Tarkenton, were very very good players, but didn't do as much stat wise in this league as the all time greats. Brady is on pace to be greater, IMO, then these guys. He has to do it longer than 6 years, he will be up there, probably in the top 5 ever. Will he be greater than Montana or Young? Not sure, he might be. Manning almost certainly will be if the Colts don't fall off the map.