Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?

[70Chip]

I always liked Norv and he was a great play caller.

However, he lacks the domineering personality necessary to be a succesful head coach. The only Cowboys fan who should be happy to see Norv go to Dallas is Jerry Jones. Jones will be the de facto coach with Norv holding the title but basically running the offense. That's what Cowboys fans should realize. If you hire Norv, you're really hiring Jerry.

Having said that, he will move the football with the players they have down there. No doubt about it.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

This is a bit off topic but I didn't want to start another cowboys thread, but I found this article from espn.com pretty interesting. ESPN.com - NFL - Turner still Cowboys' front-runner, wants control of staff

If they hire Norv and he gets to pick his own staff, what happens with Garrett if doesn't figure into Norv's plan? I would guess that this could mean that old Norvall might lose favor with the team.

[MTK]

The "real coach" in Dallas is already assembling his staff.

LOL what a joke.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The "real coach" in Dallas is already assembling his staff.

LOL what a joke.

You're right about that. I can't imagine that any front office would think it's a good idea to start bringing in new assistant coaches when you don't even have a head coach yet, but I guess that's what's going on down there.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

i better hold a little something back. it took turner a while to put results on the field...playoff wins but we went to the playoffs and won here at fedex and then went to tampa and lost on a botched snap and low and behold our owner who some call smart...who i call a moron put his hands on this team...brought in some has beens jeff george, bruce smith and deion and wrecked what turner struggled to build. I blame Mr Snyder for Norv's undoing here. PERIOD.

You can certainly blame Snyder for Norv's last season but what about the other 5 awful seasons? Most teams would have fired Norv in year 3...John Cooke was a very patient owner.

[56FAN]

a big fat F.i got soo tired of our skins showing up for big games flatter than a pancake.his offense was good but his in ability to bring a team together into a single focused unit is well documented.good coordinator, terrible head coach.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by irish

Lewis was the D coordinator for OBC. Norv is the best of the post 1995 redskins caoches by a mile and that says a lot because he was not that great.

Is he better than the guy we have now? What's his name, oh yeah, Gibbs I think.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The "real coach" in Dallas is already assembling his staff.

LOL what a joke.

Yep, he's been the "real coach" since he told Jimmy Johnson to take a hike, er, since Jimmy Johnson resigned. Parcells is the only coach there to have even a little control.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Here's a comment I made in my Internet column today about the Cowboys' coaching search:



With all the attention and focus on the Cowboys’ coaching search, there is an obvious solution to filling their vacancy – but it is one fraught with danger for the league. Jerry Jones could name himself as the coach of the Cowboys. Hey, George Halas and Paul Brown were rather successful “owner/coaches”; Al Davis coached the Raiders for a while and he’s the moral equivalent of an “owner”. Jones is already the Cowboys’ owner, CEO, President and GM; he spends half the game on the sidelines anyway; he played college football; he can certainly do well in the job interview event. It’s a way to increase the team’s profitability since he won’t need to pay a head coach something in the neighborhood of $4-5M per year. And can he really do that much worse than Dave Campo did?

Here’s the danger for the league… If he does this and the team breaks even next year, it will set up a grand machismo situation for other owners. Follow this line of thought. Hey, if JJ can do it – and Al Davis did it before – why can’t I do it too? It’ll mean more face time for me on TV and if the team wins I won’t have to share the spotlight with some flunky that I was smart enough to hire in the first place; all that jamoke did was do what I paid him millions of dollars to do. And with that thinking – I can’t bring myself to call it reasoning – you could see Danny Boy Snyder prowling the sidelines for the Washington Redskins. Talk about putting one of the longstanding franchises into a tailspin…

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

You can certainly blame Snyder for Norv's last season but what about the other 5 awful seasons? Most teams would have fired Norv in year 3...John Cooke was a very patient owner.

When Norv Turner was hired, Jack Kent Cooke was just focused on getting his stadium built, then when he passed away John Kent Cooke was just focused on keeping the team under his ownership.

I don't think it was until Snyder came along that anyone in that front office was even really paying attention to the team. There was just so much else going on at the time.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Here's a comment I made in my Internet column today about the Cowboys' coaching search:



With all the attention and focus on the Cowboys’ coaching search, there is an obvious solution to filling their vacancy – but it is one fraught with danger for the league. Jerry Jones could name himself as the coach of the Cowboys. Hey, George Halas and Paul Brown were rather successful “owner/coaches”; Al Davis coached the Raiders for a while and he’s the moral equivalent of an “owner”. Jones is already the Cowboys’ owner, CEO, President and GM; he spends half the game on the sidelines anyway; he played college football; he can certainly do well in the job interview event. It’s a way to increase the team’s profitability since he won’t need to pay a head coach something in the neighborhood of $4-5M per year. And can he really do that much worse than Dave Campo did?

Here’s the danger for the league… If he does this and the team breaks even next year, it will set up a grand machismo situation for other owners. Follow this line of thought. Hey, if JJ can do it – and Al Davis did it before – why can’t I do it too? It’ll mean more face time for me on TV and if the team wins I won’t have to share the spotlight with some flunky that I was smart enough to hire in the first place; all that jamoke did was do what I paid him millions of dollars to do. And with that thinking – I can’t bring myself to call it reasoning – you could see Danny Boy Snyder prowling the sidelines for the Washington Redskins. Talk about putting one of the longstanding franchises into a tailspin…

I really don't see any of that happening. It's quite a hypothetical scenario, though, although I wouldn't put it past the egotistical Jones. Al Davis coached in a much different era than the one we have today.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Hey, did you know your namesake might be the next defensive coordinator of the Niners? I'm talking about former Redskins LB Greg Manusky for those that don't know.

It's official, by the way

ESPN.com - NFL - Chargers' Manusky named 49ers' defensive coordinator

(Quoting myself...I have arrived!)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

When Norv Turner was hired, Jack Kent Cooke was just focused on getting his stadium built, then when he passed away John Kent Cooke was just focused on keeping the team under his ownership.

I don't think it was until Snyder came along that anyone in that front office was even really paying attention to the team. There was just so much else going on at the time.

Huh? Not true at all. At the time we had a GM named Charley Casserly and a assistant GM Bobby Mitchell. When Snyder came in the team was in great shape thanks to Casserly. We had draft picks, a proven QB and were under the cap. The team was ready to win. Things went down hill when Deion Sanders and co. were signed. Snyder and Vinny f--ked everything up. Why would you bring in Jeff George? Why would you bring in Bruce Smith? Why would you fire Marty after one year? Why would you hire a college coach with a gimmick offense? Danny Boi wants to win but he just has NO CLUE how to win. Always after a quick fix. You just can't buy team chemistry. It's not for sale. I bet John Cooke is sitting back on an island somewhere laughing his ass off.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

It's official, by the way

ESPN.com - NFL - Chargers' Manusky named 49ers' defensive coordinator

(Quoting myself...I have arrived!)

this is when you know you have made it. and yesterday, i was watching nfl live and jimmy johnson was on. he said that working with jones really wasnt that bad. but he just wanted to be included in the football decisions. that was his downfall in dallas. he thought jones knew nothing about football, and treated him as so

[vaoutlaws2006]

all you here seem to secretly love snyder some much it makes me sick. norv brought us our first. divison title since 1991 and all you people do is take the side of that moron snyder. i guess you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.