Mark Maske on 980 today...

[MTK]

Vinny was fired but was brought back. His current role is not what it was back in 2000.

Bottom line is he's a convenient scapegoat in the front office. He's basically the MB of the front office.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Vinny was fired but was brought back. His current role is not what it was back in 2000.

Bottom line is he's a convenient scapegoat in the front office. He's basically the MB of the front office.

So who is the real problem in the FO? Or is it a combination of person(s) or setup?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Bill B

So who is the real problem in the FO? Or is it a combination of person(s) or setup?

I think you have to start with Gibbs and look at the entire process/setup. This current setup is a very collaborative effort, I don't see how we can sit here on the outside and definitively point to the exact person or problem in the process to blame.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you have to start with Gibbs and look at the entire process/setup. This current setup is a very collaborative effort, I don't see how we can sit here on the outside and definitively point to the exact person or problem in the process to blame.

So too many cooks in the kitchen?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Bill B

So too many cooks in the kitchen?

Maybe, maybe not.

Gibbs has always had one of the largest coaching staffs in the league even going back to his first stint. So he's obviously comfortable with that kind of setup.

There are many reasons for the team's slide last year and I don't think personnel is necessarily the end all answer as to what went wrong.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Maybe, maybe not.

Gibbs has always had one of the largest coaching staffs in the league even going back to his first stint. So he's obviously comfortable with that kind of setup.

There are many reasons for the team's slide last year and I don't think personnel is necessarily the end all answer as to what went wrong.

Injuries were definately a part of the demise. Bringing in a young qb will also have its growing pains as I expect their to be some gowing pains next year as well since it will be Jason's first full year under the gun. Also I think the new division setup has made it harder on all the NFC East teams as they no longer get to beat up the Cardinals for 2 wins a year like it used to be.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you have to start with Gibbs and look at the entire process/setup. This current setup is a very collaborative effort, I don't see how we can sit here on the outside and definitively point to the exact person or problem in the process to blame.

I think we can all agree that the current set up is not working , however, in the absence of one person to blame, i.e. Millen in Detroit, the blame has to go to who has been designated by reputation as the primary talent evaluator and that's been Vinny. The mistakes of Gibbs II have been noted so much it's not worth reapeating but it's clear that something needs fixing. Einstien said once the definition of insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different results. Our drafting record since Cerrato has been around is abysmal, free agency has been more negative than positive, other than Moss and Portis the trading decisions have been dubious. I fear until Snyder sells the team or becomes COMPLETELY uninvolved (I know all he does is negotiate and sign checks now) we're doomed to repeat our failures of the past.