Mark Brunell, Phillip Daniels, Renaldo Wynn, Shawn Springs

[sportscurmudgeon]

amorentz:

I did not know about the profootballtalk.com use of Stewart as the emoodiment of an average QB. I was just thinking of a QB that I thought was no better than average and Stewart came to mind. From there, it wasn't hard to find his career QB Rating. And it's damned close to Collins'.


skinsfan69:

If you think Brunell is too old to get it done, why is Collins so much more capable. Collins was born in 1971; you can to the math there; he'll be 36 this year. Granted Brunell makes a whole lot more than Collins and so he takes up more cap room. BUT, you have to admit that Brunell has earned those extra dollars because he's actually led teams deep into the playoffs in his career. Collins may have done that too if he ever had the chance; but then again he was never good enough to convince a coaching staff that he was.


Beemnsevem:

The Skins really didn't want to keep Champ all that much. The reason I say that is that if they had given him the same contract offer that they gave Portis, Bailey would have taken it. What they gave Portis was about what Champ was asking but the Skins were not willing to pay. That last statement is not meant to bad-mouth Portis in any way. It is simply to observe that the Skins had the money and the cap room to pay a player that kind of money and they did not want to give it to Champ but did want to give it to Portis. The team made a choice here; the trade was not forced upon them.


Matty:

Agree with you that cutting Hall makes a whole lot of sense ... so long as Redskins One doesn't go charging off to sign Van der Jagt!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Beemnsevem:

The Skins really didn't want to keep Champ all that much. The reason I say that is that if they had given him the same contract offer that they gave Portis, Bailey would have taken it. What they gave Portis was about what Champ was asking but the Skins were not willing to pay. That last statement is not meant to bad-mouth Portis in any way. It is simply to observe that the Skins had the money and the cap room to pay a player that kind of money and they did not want to give it to Champ but did want to give it to Portis. The team made a choice here; the trade was not forced upon them.

Well then, that does change things. I was always under the impression that Champ wanted out. Of course, maybe he still did - but I didn't know that Portis signed for what Champ was asking.

But here's the ultimate question: would this team have been better served by Champ rather than Portis? I've always maintained that unless you're talking LaDanian Tomlinson, any team can get by with just about any running back.

So then, yet another f*** up by this front office.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

amorentz:

I did not know about the profootballtalk.com use of Stewart as the emoodiment of an average QB. I was just thinking of a QB that I thought was no better than average and Stewart came to mind. From there, it wasn't hard to find his career QB Rating. And it's damned close to Collins'.


skinsfan69:

If you think Brunell is too old to get it done, why is Collins so much more capable. Collins was born in 1971; you can to the math there; he'll be 36 this year. Granted Brunell makes a whole lot more than Collins and so he takes up more cap room. BUT, you have to admit that Brunell has earned those extra dollars because he's actually led teams deep into the playoffs in his career. Collins may have done that too if he ever had the chance; but then again he was never good enough to convince a coaching staff that he was.


Beemnsevem:

The Skins really didn't want to keep Champ all that much. The reason I say that is that if they had given him the same contract offer that they gave Portis, Bailey would have taken it. What they gave Portis was about what Champ was asking but the Skins were not willing to pay. That last statement is not meant to bad-mouth Portis in any way. It is simply to observe that the Skins had the money and the cap room to pay a player that kind of money and they did not want to give it to Champ but did want to give it to Portis. The team made a choice here; the trade was not forced upon them.


Matty:

Agree with you that cutting Hall makes a whole lot of sense ... so long as Redskins One doesn't go charging off to sign Van der Jagt!

I'm not saying Collins should be the back-up. I would bring in someone to compete w/ Collins for the back-up job.

Collins does not have the mileage that Brunell has. Brunell has a list of injuries over the years that I think has done him in. His last year in Jack. he had an elbow injury to his throwing arm. Every year that he has been in a Redskin uniform he has had some type of injury. Now he's coming off MAJOR shoulder surgery. Time to turn the page!