Mascot Issue (AGAIN)

[Crat92]

You know, try as people might to make this into an "it's just a name" issue, it is what it is. Offensive. From the Native American people I've run across, every one said the same thing. They are offended by it. One guy even went as far as to say " it's like You hearing about the New York N-----." I thought that was an interesting take on it seeing as how I am an African American male. If they had to change it, what would they change it to?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Crat92

You know, try as people might to make this into an "it's just a name" issue, it is what it is. Offensive. From the Native American people I've run across, every one said the same thing. They are offended by it. One guy even went as far as to say " it's like You hearing about the New York N-----." I thought that was an interesting take on it seeing as how I am an African American male. If they had to change it, what would they change it to?

I've heard a lot of people equate to that term and I think it's hard to understand because there is such a disconnect between most people and Native American history, myself included. I have no idea how offensive the term is. However, when I do hear say people say things like that, it makes me think maybe changing the name wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I've heard a lot of people equate to that term and I think it's hard to understand because there is such a disconnect between most people and Native American history, myself included. I have no idea how offensive the term is. However, when I do hear say people say things like that, it makes me think maybe changing the name wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

It's a friggin football team. Would anyone honestly not be able to wake up and cheer for our team if they weren't called the "redskins".?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

It's a friggin football team. Would anyone honestly not be able to wake up and cheer for our team if they weren't called the "redskins".?

That's what i'm trying to say.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

It's a friggin football team. Would anyone honestly not be able to wake up and cheer for our team if they weren't called the "redskins".?

Well actually, i would never stop calling them the Redskins regardless of what happens. And why should it even be considered? Seriously, if their was a overwhelming majority in favor of change, well thats hard to fight. Im not in favor of doing something just for the sake of being pc, its gotta have some real powerful, majority backing to it.

[SkinEmAll]

well i guess if they had to change the name because of some little group, who does NOT represent the majority of American Indians, we could call them the Washington PC ass-kissers. We could have a burg. & gold pair of ass kissing lips on the helment.

[hooskins]

Call them the Redskins and then just get rid of all native american logos...

that solves it.

[hooskins]

Or how about

Washington Skins and remove all association to native americans.

[RobH4413]

Regardless... it's not changing. Snyder has too much money and too good of lawyers for that shit to change.

I really don't care either way. It obviously doesn't offend that many people, and you can't appease everyone. To be honest your probably offending more people by changing it then by leaving it alone.

[SkinEmAll]

you know, we had some serious pc bullshit decision here at William and Mary, being forced to remove their Feathers!! thats right I said f e a t h e r s. The nickname is the 'Tribe'. really, is that offensive? But florida can still do all their antics, which I dont find offensive either. Oh brother, what is going on here........

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

you know, we had some serious pc bullshit decision here at William and Mary, being forced to remove their Feathers!! thats right I said f e a t h e r s. The nickname is the 'Tribe'. really, is that offensive? But florida can still do all their antics, which I dont find offensive either. Oh brother, what is going on here........

I have a better one than that for William & Mary. A person was offended by a cross which has been at the school sense it opened back in (I think the early 1900's) and now the schoold board is considering removing it and will be voting on it this month if they have not allready voted.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I have a better one than that for William & Mary. A person was offended by a cross which has been at the school sense it opened back in (I think the early 1900's) and now the schoold board is considering removing it and will be voting on it this month if they have not allready voted.

I'm sorry I left out the best part the cross that offended the person was in the campus church.

[SkinEmAll]

NCAA rules 'Tribe' not offensive; objects to feathers

News · W&M News · 2006 archive · NCAA ruling on Tribe
Author: Brian Whitson, Source: W&M News
Date: May 17, 2006

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See President's letter to the community concerning the NCAA ruling.

William and Mary will appeal a recent ruling by the NCAA stating that the College should stop using two feathers on its athletic logo. In that same ruling, issued in a letter May 16 to William and Mary President Gene R. Nichol, the NCAA review committee did agree with the College that the nickname “Tribe” is not offensive.

“We learned last evening that the NCAA staff review determined the use of the nickname ‘Tribe’ by our athletic teams was neither ‘hostile or abusive,’” Nichol wrote in an e-mail to the campus community and alumni. “The report did object, however, to the use of the feathers as part of our sports logo. We will appeal the ruling as it applies to the logo.”

Nichol added, “The good news, of course, is the NCAA has agreed with our assessment of the term ‘Tribe.’ The nickname—so close to the heart of this community—will remain the College’s moniker.”

In 2004, the NCAA requested that several member institutions, including William and Mary, submit a self-evaluation to determine if the Native American imagery or nicknames used at the schools were hostile or abusive. Schools found in violation would not be permitted to wear the offending logos during postseason competition or be allowed to host postseason NCAA athletic events on their own campuses.

The College will appeal the ruling regarding the use of the feathers to the NCAA’s executive committee and expects a decision by the end of the summer, said William T. Walker, associate vice president for public affairs at William and Mary.

“It boggles our minds that the NCAA would find objectionable what William and Mary does, and at the same time find acceptable what schools like Florida State University do,” said Walker, referring to FSU’s use of a spear-wielding warrior during football games.

“Perhaps it is the absurdity of judgments like these that is causing the U.S. Congress to consider taking this matter out of the hands of the NCAA,” Walker said. “The Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and several of his colleagues have introduced legislation that would forbid the NCAA from regulating mascots and nicknames.”

Several schools, including Florida State, have been removed from the list because the NCAA ruled that “namesake” tribes have given authority to use the nicknames. William and Mary uses the generic nickname Tribe. William and Mary does not have a mascot.

“The nickname Tribe connotes the strong sense of community at William and Mary,” Walker said. “It is meant to signify the affirmative and inclusive nature of our campus community, our strong commitment to each other. We are pleased the NCAA agrees.”
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Anyone else think this is WAY out of line or what?! I hope the U.S. House of Rep. prevails.

[dblanch66]

I am Cherokee and have no problem with the name. Those who are offended by such trifles have too much time on their hands. Why give so much power to a word? Usually it is people who have low self worth and self loathing who get all aggro over silly things like this anyway.

[Bushead]

After killing their whole race, trails of tears, lying and theiving, forcing them on reservations, destroying them, and making resolutions only to break later, hell, if they want the name to be changed, go ahead. Its ****ing football, not life.