Rumor: Strahan Wants To Be A Redskin

[Redskinhog1963]

getting moss was the best trade the redskins have made in 20 years.they were 100% on the money when they decided to trade for him.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, can't one move be bad and the other really, really great? Judging the thing as a whole sequence, I would say that it was a good move. But breaking it down, the real gem was trading a oft injured possession receiver with a knack for toughness for a top 10 receiver in this league with a knack for running between and by everyone on his way to the endzone.

Yeah, I guess you can look at the two moves independently. But even still, I think Coles is worth a mid 1st rounder. He's had 5,361 yards in the past 5 seasons playing with QBs like Ramsey, Brunell, and Chad "the Limp Arm" Pennington.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Yeah, I guess you can look at the two moves independently. But even still, I think Coles is worth a mid 1st rounder. He's had 5,361 yards in the past 5 seasons playing with QBs like Ramsey, Brunell, and Chad "the Limp Arm" Pennington.

Again, this is getting into a positional value thing, so if you disagreed with me before, you probably disagree with me here.

Trading the 13th pick should net a better player than using it. After all, you are going to have the guy for less years, and you aren't going to get him cheap.

If we had drafted a receiver who put up Coles like production, I'd be cool with that. 13 is a good spot to pick a wide receiver who has fallen in the draft (i.e. was supposed to be selected in the top 10). But trading the 13th pick for a receiver warrents a top of the league talent, IMO. I don't think anybody is going to be confusing Coles for Steve Smith anytime soon. If we dealt the 13th directly for Moss, that would have been a fair deal. But after trading for Coles, being able to turn around and get Moss for him was wonderful value. They both play the same position, but one consistently outproduces the other. If you are the Jets there is no way you can justify this deal to us.

Also Pennington is one of the most accurate passers this league has seen in a long time. My thoughts on Brunell are well documented, and Ramsey was no slob either. It's not like he had to field passes from Shaun King or anything.

[Beemnseven]

By the way, the 13th player selected in that draft was defensive tackle Ty Warren by New England. Other players taken after #13 -- Troy Polamalu, Bryant Johnson, Willis McGahee, Dallas Clark, Larry Johnson. Of course, the notion that the Redskins would have taken a defensive tackle is rather silly. There's a city ordinance in Washington that prohibits that don't you know.

But to further confuse things, what if we had stayed with the #13 pick and taken, say ... Troy Polamalu -- would we then have the need for Sean Taylor in 2004? Then, we could have selected Kellen Winslow -- but then, we might not have taken Chris Cooley -- and then we would have had another second round pick in 2005 ...

Headache ensues....

[RMSkins]

No Thanks.....would have been nice to land him about 8 years ago.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think trading the 13th pick for Coles was all that smart. Coles was a pretty solid receiver here for one season in 2003, but I would have much rather have used the 13th pick.

Now, trading Coles for Moss looks absolutely brilliant in hindsight. What a great deal. I can't think of a more lopsided trade in recent NFL history (I guess Lloyd for a 3rd and a 4th ranks up there), and we were the beneficiary of it. The credit has to go to the FO on this one.

You think so? Moss had a better 05 but Coles had a better 06. I think it's been a good trade for both teams.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

By the way, the 13th player selected in that draft was defensive tackle Ty Warren by New England. Other players taken after #13 -- Troy Polamalu, Bryant Johnson, Willis McGahee, Dallas Clark, Larry Johnson. Of course, the notion that the Redskins would have taken a defensive tackle is rather silly. There's a city ordinance in Washington that prohibits that don't you know.

But to further confuse things, what if we had stayed with the #13 pick and taken, say ... Troy Polamalu -- would we then have the need for Sean Taylor in 2004? Then, we could have selected Kellen Winslow -- but then, we might not have taken Chris Cooley -- and then we would have had another second round pick in 2005 ...

Headache ensues....

Ty Warren sure would look real nice on our team. Solid player on NE's defense.

[SmootSmack]

And it continues...NFL.com - NFL News

" A source close to Strahan said the defensive end wants to discuss his future, and where the Giants intend to take their team in the future. If Strahan doesn't like what he hears, he always has the option of walking away to a TV job that is out there waiting for him, whenever he decides to retire.

And, if talks unexpectedly break down, then there would be another option Giants fans would have a hard time stomaching -- Strahan finishing his career in Washington.

The Redskins have had a long history of signing big-name players such as Strahan. Plus, he would help solve one of the team's greatest needs while his addition would weaken a division rival. NFL personnel people said over the weekend they believe the Redskins and Strahan would be an ideal match.

Yet all sides involved expect the talks between Strahan and Reese to resolve any questions they have, with the veteran defensive end returning to the position and place he manned last season in the Giants locker room."

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

wont dont need a old de even though he would be our best pass rusher. Let build thru the draft

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

By the way, the 13th player selected in that draft was defensive tackle Ty Warren by New England. Other players taken after #13 -- Troy Polamalu, Bryant Johnson, Willis McGahee, Dallas Clark, Larry Johnson. Of course, the notion that the Redskins would have taken a defensive tackle is rather silly. There's a city ordinance in Washington that prohibits that don't you know.

True, but other "busts" from that class are Michael Haynes by Chicago at #14, Jerome McDougle by Philly at #15, Calvin Pace by Arizona at #18, Kyle Boller by Baltimore at #19, George Foster (who is probably going to be cut) by Denver at #20, William Joseph by NYG at #25, Kwame Harris by SF (who's been a disappointment, but not a bust) at #26, and Sammy Davis by San Diego at #30 (who just got cut by the 9ers). Who knows who we would have picked at #13.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Again, this is getting into a positional value thing, so if you disagreed with me before, you probably disagree with me here.

Trading the 13th pick should net a better player than using it. After all, you are going to have the guy for less years, and you aren't going to get him cheap.

If we had drafted a receiver who put up Coles like production, I'd be cool with that. 13 is a good spot to pick a wide receiver who has fallen in the draft (i.e. was supposed to be selected in the top 10). But trading the 13th pick for a receiver warrents a top of the league talent, IMO. I don't think anybody is going to be confusing Coles for Steve Smith anytime soon. If we dealt the 13th directly for Moss, that would have been a fair deal. But after trading for Coles, being able to turn around and get Moss for him was wonderful value. They both play the same position, but one consistently outproduces the other. If you are the Jets there is no way you can justify this deal to us.

Also Pennington is one of the most accurate passers this league has seen in a long time. My thoughts on Brunell are well documented, and Ramsey was no slob either. It's not like he had to field passes from Shaun King or anything.

um, when coles got here, he was really fast and outproduced steve smith. and btw, coles is the one consistently outproducing moss. 2005 was the only year moss had more yardage than coles in his entire career. he averaged 1100 yards a year for us and then turned into moss (after that horrible toe injury) which gave us 2400 more yards. that's a great use of a #13 pick. coles was #7 in receiving that first year. I have no idea why you're writing like he was dirt.

your trading potential for proven results, and you get a lot less potential in a trade since the risk of busting is extremely small at that point. If you need help now, trades are safe, if you want to save money drafting, you might still need help at the same position next year. One is NOT automatically better than the other.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

And it continues...NFL.com - NFL News

" A source close to Strahan said the defensive end wants to discuss his future, and where the Giants intend to take their team in the future. If Strahan doesn't like what he hears, he always has the option of walking away to a TV job that is out there waiting for him, whenever he decides to retire.

And, if talks unexpectedly break down, then there would be another option Giants fans would have a hard time stomaching -- Strahan finishing his career in Washington.

The Redskins have had a long history of signing big-name players such as Strahan. Plus, he would help solve one of the team's greatest needs while his addition would weaken a division rival. NFL personnel people said over the weekend they believe the Redskins and Strahan would be an ideal match.

Yet all sides involved expect the talks between Strahan and Reese to resolve any questions they have, with the veteran defensive end returning to the position and place he manned last season in the Giants locker room."

Did you catch this little gem a bit further down? From the same article:

"San Francisco has two factors that are going to be awfully enticing for free-agent offensive tackle Leonard Davis.

For starters, the 49ers have more salary-cap room than any team in the league -- close to $40 million.

And second, the 49ers offensive line coach is George Warhop, the former Cardinals offensive line coach who drafted and tutored Davis during his time in Arizona.

Those two factors could make the 49ers the favorite to land Davis.

But Dallas and Washington also will be interested.

Yet Washington's biggest needs are on defense. When the free-agent signing period starts, many NFL personnel men expect the Redskins to make a significant push at Buffalo's free-agent linebacker London Fletcher-Baker. He would be an ideal fit for the Redskins on and off the field. He could make the defensive plays the team needs and provide the leadership it has lacked.

There was talk that Detroit would pursue Fletcher-Baker, but it seems as if the Lions now are channeling their energies into other areas. They know when the Redskins want a certain free agent, they usually succeed. And chances are they will do the same with Fletcher-Baker."

Leonard Davis? Where did Scheffter here that Washinton was interested? Granted, he seemed to diffuse his own statement by saying that Washington's needs are on defense. But still ... where the hell did that come from? Leonard Davis???

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

True, but other "busts" from that class are Michael Haynes by Chicago at #14, Jerome McDougle by Philly at #15, Calvin Pace by Arizona at #18, Kyle Boller by Baltimore at #19, George Foster (who is probably going to be cut) by Denver at #20, William Joseph by NYG at #25, Kwame Harris by SF (who's been a disappointment, but not a bust) at #26, and Sammy Davis by San Diego at #30 (who just got cut by the 9ers). Who knows who we would have picked at #13.

Oh I know. And who's to say all the 'hits' in that round would have flourished in Washington with Steve Spurrier coaching?

Just goes to show the whole thing is a crap shoot.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Did you catch this little gem a bit further down? From the same article:

"But Dallas and Washington also will be interested.

Leonard Davis? Where did Scheffter here that Washinton was interested? Granted, he seemed to diffuse his own statement by saying that Washington's needs are on defense. But still ... where the hell did that come from? Leonard Davis???

Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm guessing that Schefter came up with that based on (A) the perception that Washington is in the mix for every free agent, (B) the speculation that Washington will try to nab Davis as a replacement for Dockery if Dock leaves via free agency, or (C) some inside information.

[offiss]

I am sure Gibbs can convince Danny boy to cram a 12 million dollar signing bonus through that gap in Strahans front teeth, then we can all watch him smile as he rides off into the sunset of retirement with our salary cap on the back of his hog.