Rumor: Strahan Wants To Be A Redskin

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think trading the 13th pick for Coles was all that smart. Coles was a pretty solid receiver here for one season in 2003, but I would have much rather have used the 13th pick.

Now, trading Coles for Moss looks absolutely brilliant in hindsight. What a great deal. I can't think of a more lopsided trade in recent NFL history (I guess Lloyd for a 3rd and a 4th ranks up there), and we were the beneficiary of it. The credit has to go to the FO on this one.

You think so? Moss had a better 05 but Coles had a better 06. I think it's been a good trade for both teams.

[offiss]

I am sure Gibbs can convince Danny boy to cram a 12 million dollar signing bonus through that gap in Strahans front teeth, then we can all watch him smile as he rides off into the sunset of retirement with our salary cap on the back of his hog.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You think so? Moss had a better 05 but Coles had a better 06. I think it's been a good trade for both teams.

Coles was a 1000 yard WR this year, but he also caught 36! more passes. That's 4 really good games worth. We do have to analyze the reason for this. Did Coles catch 36 more passes because he was that much better, or because he simply got thrown to more often? Considering Moss doesn't drop that many passes, I'd think that it was because Coles got thrown to so much. Santana missed a few games here and there to contribute.

I truely believe that most receivers are similar before the catch, but what really seperates receivers is their ability to make plays after the catch. Look at these numbers:

Coles Y/R (2002-2006)

14.2
14.7
10.6
11.6
12.1

Moss Y/R (2002-2006)

14.4
14.9
18.6
17.7
14.4

I bolded the final year before the Coles-Moss deal was made. Although their careers had been similar until that point, Moss undoubtably proved that while playing with Quincy Carter for half the year, that he could make big plays in the passing game. Coles had an injury riddled season. If the trade was made before 2004, the Jets would have had some justification. But over the last three years, they are in two seperate echilons.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Coles was a 1000 yard WR this year, but he also caught 36! more passes. That's 4 really good games worth. We do have to analyze the reason for this. Did Coles catch 36 more passes because he was that much better, or because he simply got thrown to more often? Considering Moss doesn't drop that many passes, I'd think that it was because Coles got thrown to so much. Santana missed a few games here and there to contribute.

I truely believe that most receivers are similar before the catch, but what really seperates receivers is their ability to make plays after the catch. Look at these numbers:

Coles Y/R (2002-2006)

14.2
14.7
10.6
11.6
12.1

Moss Y/R (2002-2006)

14.4
14.9
18.6
17.7
14.4

I bolded the final year before the Coles-Moss deal was made. Although their careers had been similar until that point, Moss undoubtably proved that while playing with Quincy Carter for half the year, that he could make big plays in the passing game. Coles had an injury riddled season. If the trade was made before 2004, the Jets would have had some justification. But over the last three years, they are in two seperate echilons.

two things. ypc is generally not how WRs are measured (unless for their deep threat ability), yardage is generally used (it doesn't matter if you catch 100 short pases or 30 bombs, what matters is if you're helping the offense).

having a great deep threat on a team with a limp armed qb would be a horrible mistake. moss just didn't fit well with what they were doing, and coles did. I think if we had coles last year and they had moss, coles would have still outperformed on yardage, simply because moss wouldn't be getting too many bombs from a qb like pennington, and they weren't really screening to him much either.

being good in one person's system doesn't mean you'll be great in every system (though when you're as good as moss, the system should work around to include what you do best). what's important for the skins is that they have a #1 WR/deep threat (that can go to the ball and erase mistakes) with a QB can that's pretty good at chucking it deep.

[SmootSmack]

I think Strahan will ultimately stay with the Giants. For a bargain basement price he wouldn't be awful here for a year (not that I want him). But if we're going to go after an aging pass rusher then why not consider Kevin Carter?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think Strahan will ultimately stay with the Giants. For a bargain basement price he wouldn't be awful here for a year (not that I want him). But if we're going to go after an aging pass rusher then why not consider Kevin Carter?

Superman and Captain Chaos on the same team? Look out!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by That Guy

two things. ypc is generally not how WRs are measured (unless for their deep threat ability), yardage is generally used (it doesn't matter if you catch 100 short pases or 30 bombs, what matters is if you're helping the offense).

having a great deep threat on a team with a limp armed qb would be a horrible mistake. moss just didn't fit well with what they were doing, and coles did. I think if we had coles last year and they had moss, coles would have still outperformed on yardage, simply because moss wouldn't be getting too many bombs from a qb like pennington, and they weren't really screening to him much either.

being good in one person's system doesn't mean you'll be great in every system (though when you're as good as moss, the system should work around to include what you do best). what's important for the skins is that they have a #1 WR/deep threat (that can go to the ball and erase mistakes) with a QB can that's pretty good at chucking it deep.

Agreed. Well put.