An Inconvenient Truth

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I didn't read anyone here say the didn't believe in it.

Anyways there is a not so insignificant portion of people and scientists who don't just question the human cause theory of global warming but the idea of global warming in general.

I find it scary that something that seems so important is treated in such a political way when it needs to be treated in a scientific way first and foremost.

I believe the earth is warming just not sure that it is man made.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't doubt that Al Gore is right about global warming, it's just that I care a lot more about the poor people in our country getting health insurance than I do about global warming.

If forcing companies to be greener costs them money, they're going to respond by either:

1) Cutting back on benefits
2) Charge the employees more for health insurance
3) Or just flat lay people off or hire fewer people

Our country has a lot more important things to worry about than global warming. Al Gore, do you seriously think I'm going to listen to your bitching and moaning about the environment when we have much more pressing economic challenges at hand? Get your effing priorities straight.

By what you said I guess that you believe that over 40,000,000 Americans cannot afford health care?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by firstdown

By what you said I guess that you believe that over 40,000,000 Americans cannot afford health care?

I suppose you are quoting the estimates that say 40 million people in our country are uninsured or underinsured.

Yes I do believe those numbers. If you want to argue them with me, be my guest, but I have to warn you you're stepping right into my wheelhouse. I'm a financial analyst for the biggest provider to uninsured/underinsured patients in Pennsylvania: Temple University Health System.

That was in the interests of full disclosure. Did you know that as of July 1 2007, there will be only 5 hospitals delivering babies within Philadelphia city limits? Obstetrics is such a financial loser that hospitals have closed the program down.

Since 2002, 9 hospitals within Philadelphia city limits have closed. No new ones have opened.

What's driving this? Underinsured patients don't reimburse hospitals; they have no money and no insurance, and consequently hospitals don't get paid. So in low-income areas, like the part of Philly I work in, hospitals are suffering financially and are forced to cut programs. The end result? Not only do these people not have the money for health care, they don't even have enough places nearby that can provide the care.

[dall-assblows]

Originally Posted by saden1

Let me get this straight, you think global warming is a big hoax but not all of it? That's a good brain teaser right there.

thats what i said. no need to explain it. we still get snow, rain, wind and shit. as long as i'm dead by the time the world is ****ed i could care less.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dall-assblows

thats what i said. no need to explain it. we still get snow, rain, wind and shit. as long as i'm dead by the time the world is ****ed i could care less.

Shouldn't natural selection have taken care of you by now?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by dall-assblows

thats what i said. no need to explain it. we still get snow, rain, wind and shit. as long as i'm dead by the time the world is ****ed i could care less.

I'm not holding my breath for an explanations. Your remark is self explanatory and lets just say it exposes your competence.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I suppose you are quoting the estimates that say 40 million people in our country are uninsured or underinsured.

Yes I do believe those numbers. If you want to argue them with me, be my guest, but I have to warn you you're stepping right into my wheelhouse. I'm a financial analyst for the biggest provider to uninsured/underinsured patients in Pennsylvania: Temple University Health System.

That was in the interests of full disclosure. Did you know that as of July 1 2007, there will be only 5 hospitals delivering babies within Philadelphia city limits? Obstetrics is such a financial loser that hospitals have closed the program down.

Since 2002, 9 hospitals within Philadelphia city limits have closed. No new ones have opened.

What's driving this? Underinsured patients don't reimburse hospitals; they have no money and no insurance, and consequently hospitals don't get paid. So in low-income areas, like the part of Philly I work in, hospitals are suffering financially and are forced to cut programs. The end result? Not only do these people not have the money for health care, they don't even have enough places nearby that can provide the care.

i do part time financial needs analysis, and from what i've personally seen, i have NO reason to doubt scheed or those numbers.

it sucks that those that can't afford basic health care can't even get preventive services, and it's short sighted. (ie, see the post's article on how a kid couldn't get a 80$ tooth extraction, needed 250,000$ worth of medical care (including emergency brain surgery) and still ended up dead. just because he had a cavity and the paperwork and willingness of practioners to deal with it was too much to ask.... for every case like that, 3124 other kids could also get tooth extractions when needed and the taxpayer still comes out ahead, as well as lower income families).

[SkinEmAll]

Half of dockerys sb would still make him a rich man AND pay for alot of tooth extractions.....

I have said it before, NO pro sports player is worth the amount of money these guys are getting. Its really a sad situation.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

Half of dockerys sb would still make him a rich man AND pay for alot of tooth extractions.....

I have said it before, NO pro sports player is worth the amount of money these guys are getting. Its really a sad situation.

According to free market economics, they're worth every penny.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

According to free market economics, they're worth every penny.

Yeah and we both know thats a bunch of horseshit. I would so be in favor of removing the salary cap as a whole but making a cap for players.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

Yeah and we both know thats a bunch of horseshit. I would so be in favor of removing the salary cap as a whole but making a cap for players.

What do you mean?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

Yeah and we both know thats a bunch of horseshit.

No, it's the way it is. The fact of the matter is, pro athletes ARE worth more than most other professions. If they weren't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[diehardskin2982]

I think both issues of Global warming and healthcare could be resolved if we spent less money trying to fight someone elses civil war (Iraq)... Don't get me wrong I am all about supporting our troops but I think we can support them best by getting them out of that mess and back home. Our money focus is on shit that is abroad when it should be here. Health Insurance Companies need major regualation and reformation by the government. They are not properly serving the community.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

What do you mean?

Well something like a max amount a player can make based on years, ability, starter.... and so on. Remove the total team salary cap, and just cap per player.Say theres a max for the elite players of 15mil. for atleast a 3 year contract, with a sb not to exceed the max. younger or up and coming players have a lower max, but have the incentive to bust their butts to get to elite status pay, in due time. I know this is never going to happen and i know some of you will find alot of flaws with this.
Im not looking to get hammered with all the variables,
pros and cons. Its just insane the way the money increases each year.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

Well something like a max amount a player can make based on years, ability, starter.... and so on. Remove the total team salary cap, and just cap per player.Say theres a max for the elite players of 15mil. for atleast a 3 year contract, with a sb not to exceed the max. younger or up and coming players have a lower max, but have the incentive to bust their butts to get to elite status pay, in due time. I know this is never going to happen and i know some of you will find alot of flaws with this.
Im not looking to get hammered with all the variables,
pros and cons. Its just insane the way the money increases each year.

I think if you already know the flaws with this idea then I wonder how you could think it is a good idea, or would ever work.