Falcons Trade Matt Schaub to Houston

[dmek25]

on the pro level, who do you think he compares with?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

on the pro level, who do you think he compares with?

Honestly, I would say Jerry Rice. I'm not saying he's that right here, right now. But from what I've seen of him, heard of him, he's got it.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by dmek25

on the pro level, who do you think he compares with?

Kinda hard to compare this kid with anyone for me....haven't seen much from him yet, in the shadow of vick??

He had a really good college stint in Va.

However, if they get this guy I really think he's gonna be just fine or BETTER. Good Move.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by dmek25

on the pro level, who do you think he compares with?

This has Rob Johnson written all over it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This has Rob Johnson written all over it.

Well, there are a lot of differences between Rob Johnson and Matt Schaub. I don't think that was a good comparison.

Schaub completed 67% of his passes in 32 starts at Virginia. That's very good. However, he wasn't espicially highly sought after coming out of college.

We can either say:

1. The scouts were wrong. They simply overlooked this guy.
OR
2. Schaub's stats are a product of his college system.

I'd put my money on the former. Al Groh hasn't exactly pumped out QBs since Schaub left.

Schaub can be very good, and I'm almost certain he will represent an improvement over Carr. But he's NOT a sure thing because of his draft position. He's got a lot of stuff to prove to the scouts who didn't give him a top two round grade.

Rob Johnson, on the other hand, was a talentless QB. Everyone knew that but Wade Phillips.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, there are a lot of differences between Rob Johnson and Matt Schaub. I don't think that was a good comparison.

Schaub completed 67% of his passes in 32 starts at Virginia. That's very good. However, he wasn't espicially highly sought after coming out of college.

We can either say:

1. The scouts were wrong. They simply overlooked this guy.
OR
2. Schaub's stats are a product of his college system.

I'd put my money on the former. Al Groh hasn't exactly pumped out QBs since Schaub left.

Schaub can be very good, and I'm almost certain he will represent an improvement over Carr. But he's NOT a sure thing because of his draft position. He's got a lot of stuff to prove to the scouts who didn't give him a top two round grade.

Rob Johnson, on the other hand, was a talentless QB. Everyone knew that but Wade Phillips.

I don't care about his college stats. Look at his professional stats. He is below 50%. I think one game when he filled in for Vick he was 17-42. Guy played terrible. I understand he does have some upside but two 2nd rounders and a 1st round swap? That's way too high. Plus what have the Texans done to upgrade the o-line? Texans have NO CLUE what they are doing overpaying for an unproven QB.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care about his college stats. Look at his professional stats. He is below 50%. I think one game when he filled in for Vick he was 17-42. Guy played terrible. I understand he does have some upside but two 2nd rounders and a 1st round swap? That's way too high. Plus what have the Texans done to upgrade the o-line? Texans have NO CLUE what they are doing overpaying for an unproven QB.

You're point about the o-line is spot on. I don't care who their QB is they still can't protect him. That'll matter more than who the QB actually is.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care about his college stats. Look at his professional stats. He is below 50%. I think one game when he filled in for Vick he was 17-42. Guy played terrible. I understand he does have some upside but two 2nd rounders and a 1st round swap? That's way too high. Plus what have the Texans done to upgrade the o-line? Texans have NO CLUE what they are doing overpaying for an unproven QB.

Well, I only looked at his college stats because I agree with you on your point that he's unproven. We really can't go to his pro stats when he only has two career starts. It just doesn't help us.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, there are a lot of differences between Rob Johnson and Matt Schaub. I don't think that was a good comparison.

Schaub completed 67% of his passes in 32 starts at Virginia. That's very good. However, he wasn't espicially highly sought after coming out of college.

We can either say:

1. The scouts were wrong. They simply overlooked this guy.
OR
2. Schaub's stats are a product of his college system.

I'd put my money on the former. Al Groh hasn't exactly pumped out QBs since Schaub left.

Schaub can be very good, and I'm almost certain he will represent an improvement over Carr. But he's NOT a sure thing because of his draft position. He's got a lot of stuff to prove to the scouts who didn't give him a top two round grade.

Rob Johnson, on the other hand, was a talentless QB. Everyone knew that but Wade Phillips.

I tend to agree. I watch a lot of UVa football and what I still remember about Schaub was that while he ended up being good his last two years at UVa, VERY GOOD, in his first year as a starter he was an unmitigated disaster. I mean terrible. And not just sophmore playing on a bad team terrible. Terrible like he didn't look like he'd ever amount to anything. Then all of a sudden he grew a little and his arm got stronger and voila the kid was probably the best QB in the nation over his final two seasons combined. I think that horrible first season stuck in some minds and probably devalued him a lot.

Also the long term success of UVa QBs isn't that good.

Shawn Moore-did nothing
Matt Blundin-did nothing
Mike Groh-did less than nothing
Aaron Brooks-the most successful-eeck!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I tend to agree. I watch a lot of UVa football and what I still remember about Schaub was that while he ended up being good his last two years at UVa, VERY GOOD, in his first year as a starter he was an unmitigated disaster. I mean terrible. And not just sophmore playing on a bad team terrible. Terrible like he didn't look like he'd ever amount to anything. Then all of a sudden he grew a little and his arm got stronger and voila the kid was probably the best QB in the nation over his final two seasons combined. I think that horrible first season stuck in some minds and probably devalued him a lot.

Also the long term success of UVa QBs isn't that good.

Shawn Moore-did nothing
Matt Blundin-did nothing
Mike Groh-did less than nothing
Aaron Brooks-the most successful-eeck!

Most college QBs see a production spike between their 2nd and 3rd seasons. Your chronicle of Schaub's college career seems very prototypical.