Patten released

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I still wonder if we could have gotten by with Patten last year rather than having to spend a 3rd and a 4th for Lloyd.

The funny thing was that James Thrash did way better than either of them in far fewer oppertunities.

You can't make the Lloyd deal look good no matter how you spin it. We overvalued him three times last year. First, we sent picks for a receiver whose identical quality can be found on the waiver wire at any point. Second, we gave Lloyd a big money deal even though we had him under a test contract. Third, we gave him playing time that Randle El and Thrash deserved early last season.

Patten was an apparently good signing when we made it happen in that he had No. 1 receiver potential based on his prior stats in NE. But for whatever reason, he was horrible here in the first half of 2005, and injured in the second. Obviously, he didn't see a lot of passes with Moss having the year he was, but he saw fewer passes the few prior years in NE and did way better. It was just the classic case of a skill position player hitting the wall, and unfortunately for us, it happened the year we signed him. It sucks, but hey, what can you do?

Lloyd was a 4th round pick who hasn't done crap to prove that he deserved to go any higher. Yet, due to some gross talent evaluation by Al Saunders [who probably shouldn't be evaluating talent, at least let Gibbs do it], he's getting paid bazillions, while Freddie Mitchell rots in receiver hell some where (I know FredEx has character issues and would not be a good fit here, but I'm trying to find a crappy comparision for Lloyd that can be found on the waiver wire).

But teams that have No. 1 targets like Moss, and in our case, a compliment that is Cooley, should probably refrain from investing in more receivers. It becomes impossible to keep them all happy.

Patten was never going to get another chance here. He was more than expendable.

Good signing to get him here, but his time was up.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The funny thing was that James Thrash did way better than either of them in far fewer oppertunities.

You can't make the Lloyd deal look good no matter how you spin it. We overvalued him three times last year. First, we sent picks for a receiver whose identical quality can be found on the waiver wire at any point. Second, we gave Lloyd a big money deal even though we had him under a test contract. Third, we gave him playing time that Randle El and Thrash deserved early last season.

Patten was an apparently good signing when we made it happen in that he had No. 1 receiver potential based on his prior stats in NE. But for whatever reason, he was horrible here in the first half of 2005, and injured in the second. Obviously, he didn't see a lot of passes with Moss having the year he was, but he saw fewer passes the few prior years in NE and did way better. It was just the classic case of a skill position player hitting the wall, and unfortunately for us, it happened the year we signed him. It sucks, but hey, what can you do?

Lloyd was a 4th round pick who hasn't done crap to prove that he deserved to go any higher. Yet, due to some gross talent evaluation by Al Saunders [who probably shouldn't be evaluating talent, at least let Gibbs do it], he's getting paid bazillions, while Freddie Mitchell rots in receiver hell some where (I know FredEx has character issues and would not be a good fit here, but I'm trying to find a crappy comparision for Lloyd that can be found on the waiver wire).

But teams that have No. 1 targets like Moss, and in our case, a compliment that is Cooley, should probably refrain from investing in more receivers. It becomes impossible to keep them all happy.

Patten was never going to get another chance here. He was more than expendable.

Good signing to get him here, but his time was up.

I agree w/all of this post & found it to be very insightful, except the part about Patten not playing well in early 05. He had 22 catches - not a lot- but commanded respect from corners & helped open up the offense. We missed him when he was hurt that year.

Good points about Loyd, but I don't know if we can blame Al S. I would like to know whose idea it was to bring him in though. Let's hope since he's here that he starts making some big plays & keeps his mouth shut.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The funny thing was that James Thrash did way better than either of them in far fewer oppertunities.

You can't make the Lloyd deal look good no matter how you spin it. We overvalued him three times last year. First, we sent picks for a receiver whose identical quality can be found on the waiver wire at any point. Second, we gave Lloyd a big money deal even though we had him under a test contract. Third, we gave him playing time that Randle El and Thrash deserved early last season.

Patten was an apparently good signing when we made it happen in that he had No. 1 receiver potential based on his prior stats in NE. But for whatever reason, he was horrible here in the first half of 2005, and injured in the second. Obviously, he didn't see a lot of passes with Moss having the year he was, but he saw fewer passes the few prior years in NE and did way better. It was just the classic case of a skill position player hitting the wall, and unfortunately for us, it happened the year we signed him. It sucks, but hey, what can you do?

Lloyd was a 4th round pick who hasn't done crap to prove that he deserved to go any higher. Yet, due to some gross talent evaluation by Al Saunders [who probably shouldn't be evaluating talent, at least let Gibbs do it], he's getting paid bazillions, while Freddie Mitchell rots in receiver hell some where (I know FredEx has character issues and would not be a good fit here, but I'm trying to find a crappy comparision for Lloyd that can be found on the waiver wire).

But teams that have No. 1 targets like Moss, and in our case, a compliment that is Cooley, should probably refrain from investing in more receivers. It becomes impossible to keep them all happy.

Patten was never going to get another chance here. He was more than expendable.

Good signing to get him here, but his time was up.

I'm not sure Al had much to do with signing Lloyd. I'm sure he had some input. I think it was a group effort. It's Snyder who does the contracts so I would blame Danny for paying him so much. Not sure who's dumb idea it was to give up a 3rd and a 4th. Probably the same person who gave up a 3rd for Brunell when he was going to get cut anyway. That person is Gibbs so he's to blame. The buck stops with him. The guy should be coaching and not making personel moves.

Bottom line is they blew it. Now the question is can he pick up his play and his attitude? I think he gets one more year to prove himself.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not sure Al had much to do with signing Lloyd. I'm sure he had some input. I think it was a group effort. It's Snyder who does the contracts so I would blame Danny for paying him so much. Not sure who's dumb idea it was to give up a 3rd and a 4th. Probably the same person who gave up a 3rd for Brunell when he was going to get cut anyway. That person is Gibbs so he's to blame. The buck stops with him. The guy should be coaching and not making personel moves.

Bottom line is they blew it. Now the question is can he pick up his play and his attitude? I think he gets one more year to prove himself.

It was the WaPo end of season article that attributed Saunders' infatuation with Lloyd to us trading for him.

If he plays well as the third receiver, I'll be happy. Right now, I don't think he deserves a roster spot, but we can't afford to cut him anymore.

[steveo395]

WR David Patten (released; post-June 1 designation).

FOX Sports - NFL - Washington Redskins Team Report

I'm not sure if anyone found out about this before, but foxsports is saying that Patten was a June 1st cut, so his cap hit is different.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by steveo395

FOX Sports - NFL - Washington Redskins Team Report

I'm not sure if anyone found out about this before, but foxsports is saying that Patten was a June 1st cut, so his cap hit is different.

nice find, that makes sense since they waited this long to cut him. So basically it's not official till 6/1?

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

nice find, that makes sense since they waited this long to cut him. So basically it's not official till 6/1?

It has been official. You are allowed to cut players now before June 1st and designate them as a June 1st cut. So now the player doesn't get screwed over when they get cut 3 months before the season. They can find a team earlier now.