The Last Briggs Thread? Bears Say No Deal

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I can see where they are coming from. IMO, Okoye is the one guy who is good enough to represent the 6th pick and not hurt our defense with a glaring weakness. Carriker is the other guy I would want, but doesn't represent the 6th pick.

I think that Gibbs is turned off by Okoye's age because of his preference for older players, but I also feel that his fears are unwarrented. Yeah, hes 19, but he also played 4 full seasons in college. That's some simply invaluable experience.

He's mature beyond his years, and he's the true once in a lifetime player in this draft. If I was GM of the Redskins, and I had the No. 1 overall pick instead of the 6th, and I was absolutely unable to trade out of it, I would take Okoye first overall.

That said, I could see why Gibbs might pass on him. And looking past him, the value of player available at No. 6 isnt very good for what we like to do.

So if we can trade down out of the 6th pick, I'd be all for that I guess, even if it costs us Okoye (since theres no guarentee we'd draft him anyway). But I'd be much more satisfied with extra picks than with a veteran like Briggs. This team is not short on veteran leadership. We need cheap, young guys to be able to bring along slowly that will be the heart and sould of this team three years down the road.

The best possible move would be selecting Okoye at 6, but there are a bunch of other good moves. Luckily, this Briggs talk is put to rest for now, so we can explore those other options.

You mention the fact we need cheap, young players to be able to bring along slowly that will be the heart and soul of the team three years down the road [unquote] I agree, but unfortunately that's not the Redskins MO, they have demonstrated since Snyder bought the team that they are a FA driven team, and so far they have not demonstrated any willingness to change from that direction.

Lance Briggs aside, It is my gut feeling that the player the Redskins really want to land in this draft is Calvin Johnson, and that's despite our current WR situation. It will be a travesty if holding the 6th pick in the draft we emerge without a starting caliber player that can impact our defense.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

You mention the fact we need cheap, young players to be able to bring along slowly that will be the heart and soul of the team three years down the road [unquote] I agree, but unfortunately that's not the Redskins MO, they have demonstrated since Snyder bought the team that they are a FA driven team, and so far they have not demonstrated any willingness to change from that direction.

Lance Briggs aside, It is my gut feeling that the player the Redskins really want to land in this draft is Calvin Johnson, and that's despite our current WR situation. It will be a travesty if holding the 6th pick in the draft we emerge without a starting caliber player that can impact our defense.

I certainly hope we do eventually come to our senses, and make the descission to trade down, and get at least one minimum starter for our defense, maybe better?

But with all this LB action, and it doesn't appear real clear that it's over by any strech. How do you think they could pull off CJ?
I don't think that's where we are leaning at all.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

I certainly hope we do eventually come to our senses, and make the descission to trade down, and get at least one minimum starter for our defense, maybe better?

But with all this LB action, and it doesn't appear real clear that it's over by any strech. How do you think they could pull off CJ?
I don't think that's where we are leaning at all.

CJ is a Dan Snyder fantacy, It has been reported that he very much would like to be able to draft him (so would a lot of other teams) Not insinuating we're leaning there, but i do believe if Snyder could find a way to make it work he would. I disagree because I'm all defense myself.

[Skinny Tee]

Hooray for us! We finally managed to not do something blunderous.

Here's to utilizing the pick for our gain.

[Krills]

So now that Briggs is out of the question, I'm guessing Vinny is on the phone right now with the Browns FO trying to trade up to fill another need that isn't there. Please god, don't let that trade happen either. When will we ever learn? Anybody have anything to say that can cheer me up?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Hooray for us! We finally managed to not do something blunderous.

Here's to utilizing the pick for our gain.

Only b/c Chicago turned us down. I hope this is over for good now.

[skinsfan_nn]

Not to fast with the ending, the part with the deal not lost "yet". Might just be offer one doesn't work is there an option two? Pretty good chance.

I'm also, just wondering what they are thinking about with Rocky talent wise?
LM we could part ways with in my opinion, not that it's a good idea to give them anyone!

[Redskins_P]

What would you guys think if the Skins came back and offered up Rocky, but asked for a 3rd round pick as well?? I doubt it will happen, but I think that would be the only way that this deal gets done.

Again, I'm totally against the trade, but if we do give up Rocy, we should at least be get a another pick to make for all picks we gave up to get him in the first place.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

What would you guys think if the Skins came back and offered up Rocky, but asked for a 3rd round pick as well?? I doubt it will happen, but I think that would be the only way that this deal gets done.

Again, I'm totally against the trade, but if we do give up Rocy, we should at least be get a another pick to make for all picks we gave up to get him in the first place.

I'd say yes if it was a 2nd rounder

[hesscl34]

Good!!!

[diehardskin2982]

I 'm glad there is alot more we can do with that pick like trade down!

[Dirtbag59]

There has to be more to this than whats on the surface. I think that the Bears and the Redskins might be working together. First of all the Briggs trade makes Briggs look like hes in demand which would make other teams feel like the window of oppurtunity to acquire Briggs was closing. Desperate people do desperate things.

The Redskins on the other hand get to look like they are no longer pushovers by telling the Bears this is their final offer. They also get to add to their smoke and mirrors job regarding what they're going to do with the 6th pick.

Man I love conspiracy theories.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Firstdown:

Danny Boy went to the Wash Post and crowed about how he personally had "discovered" Patrick Ramsey and that he had "made the decision to draft him first". That wasn't a rumor; Snyder was quoted in the Wash Post Sunday magazine about that.

So, there is some evidence that he does "freelance" just a bit on football matters once in a while. And if he initiated the talks on this deal as has been suggested and if he informed Gibbs of his offer AFTER he made the offer as has been suggested, then he's meddling - - AGAIN.

Oh, and Snyder can be as big on this deal as he wants to be and it still takes an agreement from the Chicago Bears to make it happen. He can stamp his feet and throw a tantrum and fire any three random people who work for him - he's done all those things in the past too by the way - and it still would not give him the "juice" to make the deal happen if the Bears' don't want it to happen.

If bashing coaches and owners and players and Front Office geniuses really makes you upset, I guess I better issue a blanket apology right now...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Firstdown:

Danny Boy went to the Wash Post and crowed about how he personally had "discovered" Patrick Ramsey and that he had "made the decision to draft him first". That wasn't a rumor; Snyder was quoted in the Wash Post Sunday magazine about that.

So, there is some evidence that he does "freelance" just a bit on football matters once in a while. And if he initiated the talks on this deal as has been suggested and if he informed Gibbs of his offer AFTER he made the offer as has been suggested, then he's meddling - - AGAIN.

Oh, and Snyder can be as big on this deal as he wants to be and it still takes an agreement from the Chicago Bears to make it happen. He can stamp his feet and throw a tantrum and fire any three random people who work for him - he's done all those things in the past too by the way - and it still would not give him the "juice" to make the deal happen if the Bears' don't want it to happen.

If bashing coaches and owners and players and Front Office geniuses really makes you upset, I guess I better issue a blanket apology right now...

Ramsey wasn't actually a bad pick for No. 32 overall. He's the kind of QB you'd expect there--never going to be a dominant player, but could be good down the road.

Of course, down the road, we selected Campbell, so that put a stop to that experiment.

Lets keep something straight though. Campbell>Ramsey.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Ramsey wasn't actually a bad pick for No. 32 overall. He's the kind of QB you'd expect there--never going to be a dominant player, but could be good down the road.

Of course, down the road, we selected Campbell, so that put a stop to that experiment.

Lets keep something straight though. Campbell>Ramsey.

The jury is out on how Campbell will progress this season, hopefully good.
Ramsey on the other hand, great arm strength. One shoot to the head to many under the Spurrier era. I think he's a lifetime backup.