Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Not saying I'd support this trade at all, but RBs are easy to come by and a third round pick could still nab a pretty good DE or DT.

Again, not saying I support this trade, but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.

where are we going to get a replacement? we dont pick again until the 5th round. at that point, we haven't addressed the true need, a DE or DT.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What does that make the Raiders or the Cardinals then?

I think were more the laughing stock of the offseason, because of what we have on the feild inseason.

For example, you look at our 5-11 team this past year. Outside of 3 games, they were very compeitive in every game. I think the reason all this offseason bullcrap pisses so many of us fans off, is we have the talent to win, and just need to fill in some key area's. However we decline to ever do that and just try to get as much blockbuster moves in as we can, when really if we just make a couple small moves, sign a big name every couple years we can be fine.

I for one hate this trade, as I hate every other trade I've heard since the Denver deal. I feel it really does nothing to help this team, when we have viable reciving threats, and our defense got roasted all season long.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I think were more the laughing stock of the offseason, because of what we have on the feild inseason.

For example, you look at our 5-11 team this past year. Outside of 3 games, they were very compeitive in every game. I think the reason all this offseason bullcrap pisses so many of us fans off, is we have the talent to win, and just need to fill in some key area's. However we decline to ever do that and just try to get as much blockbuster moves in as we can, when really if we just make a couple small moves, sign a big name every couple years we can be fine.

I for one hate this trade, as I hate every other trade I've heard since the Denver deal. I feel it really does nothing to help this team, when we have viable reciving threats, and our defense got roasted all season long.

I agree. I am getting so sick of these rumors cause none of them project to actually help us. We need DEFENSIVE help! So why are we looking at a WR, or a QB? I just don't get it. I used to think, "don't worry, they are just rumors and the Skins aren't that stupid." But anymore, I am just not so sure.
Why oh why would you trade Betts after what he did for us last year and after all the good things he said about this orginization if it's not just a massive slam dunk deal? Sure he had a case of the fumbles, but that can be corrected (see tiki Barber). We actually have a solid RB game...more solid than any other team out there, and we are thinking of tearing that apart? Not so swift if you ask me.
Throughout history, I have not seen many teams benefit greatly from trading UP, but I have seen teams benefit greatly from trading DOWN and getting more picks. If we trade down I'm fine with that...especially since I don't like Gaines that much...Anderson is a bigger and better athlete IMO.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

This proposed trade is another example of why I think the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL. The Skins are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NFL. They get no respect! The Lance Briggs deal is a joke. This rumor is even worse. No way in hell do you give up Ladell Betts, #6 overall pick and a second round pick for next year to draft a wide receiver. That's just stupid. I don't care how good Calvin Johnson is or could be. That's just dumb, when you have the worst pass rush in the NFL and its been that way for a couple of years. Whether the Skins move up or down or even stay put in the draft, they better pick a defensive linemen or else I will be sick.

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMan!!!!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

where are we going to get a replacement? we dont pick again until the 5th round. at that point, we haven't addressed the true need, a DE or DT.

We already have a couple on the roster. Not saying I want Rock Cartwright starting, but I won't mind him in there for a breather for Portis either.

[Hog1]

May be the perfect situation, but you gotta' love the Rock. It could be much worse if that happens.
HOWEVER, I don't sweeten this deal. It's not sweet enough for us. In fact I wait until draft day to see who's there when we are on the clock, unless it gets much better for us

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by That Guy

1200-1400 yards/season consistently is nothing special?
when exactly did KC or SD win their last SB? lack of a true grade-A #1 WR has definately hurt their offenses, though both have monster TEs to help.

what about the certain super bowl with 3 1,000 yard WRs? what about the colt's 3 target passing attack? It certainly didn't hurt them.

DE bust rate is about 50%, it's really not any better than QBs or WRs. I mean, if you want we can throw straw men around all day about why drafting any position other than offensive guard in the first round is likely to be a bust, but that'd be fairly pointless (and yeah, OGs and Cs bust rate are SUPER SUPER low cause very very few go in the 1st round, and those that do go that high are rate VERY highly, like hutch).

I do agree that DEs are always higher priority at equal talent, and even for us it'd probably be a better pick, since our need is dire. That doesn't mean CJ wouldn't help, that he's not the best WR prospect in quite a few years, or that we don't have a gaping hole at the #2 WR spot.

a true #1 WR beats an overpaid LB or a high contract SS, etc though. While signing ian scott and drafting adams or carriker would be much smarter in terms or winning games next year, this deal would beat the briggs or landry rumors in terms of usefulness.

at least someone else agrees with me on signing ian scott

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

I suppose you guys are probably right. DL really does make a whole lot of sense. I have been pushing Landry at six, which most people hate, and I'll admit that I like this trade up for a player who could be a game breaker for years to come. I really think surrounding Campbell with top flight talent is a good idea. The strategy that probably makes most sense is trading down and taking D help with a couple picks. I am just very wary of paying one of these DL at six or paying a LB like Briggs 20 mil guaranteed. As far as I can tell it seems more likely that LL and CJ are going to play up to their contracts if we draft someone that high, but then again, who knows? The draft always has a crap shoot element. Bottom line is that all of these scenarios seem to have pluses and minuses and I think that although DL makes the most obvious sense there is definitely room for debate. We can always address DL next year. The thing about Betts is that his value right now would be bringing a move up three spots in the top of the first round and a third round pick. That's getting a lot of value for your back up running back. Honestly, I will not be upset if they do any of these moves. I'll save my disappointment for if and when we suck again on the field again.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

PS: It would be a pretty bad slap in the face to Betts if we trade him. It's not like we forced him to sign for so little but obstensibly he took less to stay with us and that measure of loyalty should be rewarded, not taken advantage of. But man, he is drawing crazy interest. A move up to three and the third rounder is the same value as a late first round pick. If someone wants to get the exact draft chart value of Betts in this deal that would be cool.

[andtz0]

i would do it on draft day if CJ were still avaliable. Cartwright can be the next Betts, and we would also have a 3rd rounder.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by andtz0

i would do it on draft day if CJ were still avaliable. Cartwright can be the next Betts, and we would also have a 3rd rounder.

screw that the best thing a young qb can have is an explosive run game keeps 8 in the box it is elementary man come on leave 46 where he is

[Dantheskinsfan]

I agree. Don't fix what ain't broke, and our run game ain't broke.....

[tazhog]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'd rather keep Betts and trade down from #6, get a third round pick and still be high enough to get one of the top DLinemen.

Agreed! Nice Post...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

screw that the best thing a young qb can have is an explosive run game keeps 8 in the box it is elementary man come on leave 46 where he is

It's true. Play action is a young QB's best friend.

It's not like teams are going to play 8 in the box every play against a good RB. They will be mixing up their fronts and coverage all game. But if that PA can hold the linebackers even just a step, those intermediate passing lanes will be wide open.

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by tazhog

Agreed! Nice Post...

trade down to where and to whom? That assertion is compleltly ambiguous, and this is under the assumption that the top d-lineman will be available!

They will be going fast in the first 15 picks. So past in the first 15 picks Adams, Anderson, Okoye, Branch, and Carriker are all poised to be gone!

I hear everyone, but I WILL BE NAMING NAMES of the warpath faithful who will bicker and complain about how many people we could have had after our first pick!!

Im telling you now it will suck, and I WILL be here to remind all of you if you do in fact complain or start any forums thereafter!!!