Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I just pray I don't have to hear Deion Sanders say, yet again, on the NFL Network that Pacman is the victim because "he never saw a grown man shave."

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I just pray I don't have to hear Deion Sanders say, yet again, on the NFL Network that Pacman is the victim because "he never saw a grown man shave."

Hahaha Gotta love Prime Time's social commentary.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

Hahaha Gotta love Prime Time's social commentary.

Yeah, I really love how he opens up his mental thesaurus and starts belting out these rhyming "fancy words" that he doesn't know how to use. He thinks he's smart, but he just sounds like a moron (like the guy in Sopranos).

[GMScud]

Was Pacman deserving of TWICE the punishment of Henry? Granted, Henry didn't make it rain, but he has still been busted what, like 7 times since coming in the league? They should have both gotten a year.

Anyone have any idea of the parameters of this new discipline policy? I.E. 2 arrests = a suspension...

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Was Pacman deserving of TWICE the punishment of Henry? Granted, Henry didn't make it rain, but he has still been busted what, like 7 times since coming in the league? They should have both gotten a year.

Anyone have any idea of the parameters of this new discipline policy? I.E. 2 arrests = a suspension...

Pacman directly violated a rule in the personal conduct code for players. He kept secret an arrest for over a season.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Pacman directly violated a rule in the personal conduct code for players. He kept secret an arrest for over a season.

I'm not sure i buy this. i would think that the NFL would have access to any legal records as an employer. but then again, the confidentiality laws are very strict

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I'm not sure i buy this. i would think that the NFL would have access to any legal records as an employer. but then again, the confidentiality laws are very strict

It is a FACT that he kept a Georgia arrest for ASSAULTING A POLICE officer a secret from the Titans. The Personal Conduct Policy explicitly states that players have to tell teams about any legal incidents.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Pacman directly violated a rule in the personal conduct code for players. He kept secret an arrest for over a season.

Yep, the league HAS to set an example! You break the rules you pay the price.

The union/pacman,henry will have there chance to appeal, and look like a bunch of clowns.

[jdlea]

I'm not going to try to defend anything Pacman Jones has done. However, I think his conduct is an indictment of the way young athletes are treated throughout their lives. Pacman's problems are not new...he was getting into trouble at WVU. Everyone knew it then, he has a problem. He can't stay outta trouble. No one ever did anything about it at West Virginia, all they did was enable him. All so they could make their millions of dollars by exploiting their players, but that's another topic. Pacman had trouble with the law at WVU and everyone around the university did everything they could to keep him on the field so they could make money. All he's ever learned is that as long as he performs on the field, his problems will go away off of it. As much as he made his own decisions, I feel sorry for a lot of the kids who grow up without the advantages most of the people judging them have enjoyed. Especially since, if they didn't have a father, the only males they really see are their coaches and they're too busy trying to figure out how to keep him on the field, rather than out of trouble. It's a little disturbing. I'm not condoning any of Pacman's actions, but I think there's a problem with this society, just as much as with him.

Another thought, Henry and Jones were both disciplinary problems in college. They also went to the same college, West Virginia. Why isn't Rich Rodriguez held accountable in any way? He did nothing about this when they were there. Where the hell was he? He just made sure they kept making the university money by taking them to a bowl game, it's bullshit.

Somehow, I don't think taking a troubled kid and making him a millionaire is the best way to solve people's problems. People should have seen this coming. I feel sorry for Pacman Jones.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I'm not going to try to defend anything Pacman Jones has done. However, I think his conduct is an indictment of the way young athletes are treated throughout their lives. Pacman's problems are not new...he was getting into trouble at WVU. Everyone knew it then, he has a problem. He can't stay outta trouble. No one ever did anything about it at West Virginia, all they did was enable him. All so they could make their millions of dollars by exploiting their players, but that's another topic. Pacman had trouble with the law at WVU and everyone around the university did everything they could to keep him on the field so they could make money. All he's ever learned is that as long as he performs on the field, his problems will go away off of it. As much as he made his own decisions, I feel sorry for a lot of the kids who grow up without the advantages most of the people judging them have enjoyed. Especially since, if they didn't have a father, the only males they really see are their coaches and they're too busy trying to figure out how to keep him on the field, rather than out of trouble. It's a little disturbing. I'm not condoning any of Pacman's actions, but I think there's a problem with this society, just as much as with him.

Another thought, Henry and Jones were both disciplinary problems in college. They also went to the same college, West Virginia. Why isn't Rich Rodriguez held accountable in any way? He did nothing about this when they were there. Where the hell was he? He just made sure they kept making the university money by taking them to a bowl game, it's bullshit.

Somehow, I don't think taking a troubled kid and making him a millionaire is the best way to solve people's problems. People should have seen this coming. I feel sorry for Pacman Jones.

This is exactly why the athletes are the way they are. Or any troubles kids now. people want to point the blaim in so many different directions instead of where they belong. Pacman and Henry are adults. They know whats right and whats wrong. carrying weed, beating up strippers and shooting guns, going 100 MPH while drinking!! any adult should know those are things that will get you in trouble. I dont feel sorry or believe this blaim the environment they lived in crap. They used their athletic gifts to get out of those situations. Now, they have all the money in the world and end up making the same stupid mistakes they made before. you have all the money in the world, that doesn't give you a pass to act like the biggest dumb ass in the world. These guys should pay for their crimes. Too many athletes get off with a slap on the wrist. If pacman is convicted of all the charges from the Vegas thing, being suspended from the NFL for 1 year will look like nothing compared to the jail time he will face. People need to stop making excuses for these idiots and hold them accountable for their actions. Do you think if any of us had all these run ins with the cops we would be sitting here typing on the Warpath.net?? HELL NO! we would be in jail or where ever. At somepoint when do they get treated as a person.. a normal person like everyone else in the country.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This is exactly why the athletes are the way they are. Or any troubles kids now. people want to point the blaim in so many different directions instead of where they belong. Pacman and Henry are adults. They know whats right and whats wrong. carrying weed, beating up strippers and shooting guns, going 100 MPH while drinking!! any adult should know those are things that will get you in trouble. I dont feel sorry or believe this blaim the environment they lived in crap. They used their athletic gifts to get out of those situations. Now, they have all the money in the world and end up making the same stupid mistakes they made before. you have all the money in the world, that doesn't give you a pass to act like the biggest dumb ass in the world. These guys should pay for their crimes. Too many athletes get off with a slap on the wrist. If pacman is convicted of all the charges from the Vegas thing, being suspended from the NFL for 1 year will look like nothing compared to the jail time he will face. People need to stop making excuses for these idiots and hold them accountable for their actions. Do you think if any of us had all these run ins with the cops we would be sitting here typing on the Warpath.net?? HELL NO! we would be in jail or where ever. At somepoint when do they get treated as a person.. a normal person like everyone else in the country.

See though, the thing is, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. I'm only pointing out that he never learned how to be an adult. The only thing he ever learned was that playing football well would make everything go away. Everyone has made sure this kid was gonna keep making them money while he was high school, college, any time they could. Then, you give him millions of dollars and think he will all of a sudden grow up? That'd be nice, but it's not realistic. However, I do agree, he knows the difference between right and wrong, I'm not contending that he doesn't. I'm also not, in any way, claiming he shouldn't be punished or serve whatever jail time he's sentenced to. I think the biggest problem is everyone enabling this kid his whole life, he was never provided the tools to become a functional adult, but that doesn't matter. He made his own decisions, he did what he did and now he's gotta pay the consequences. However, that doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I'm not going to try to defend anything Pacman Jones has done. However, I think his conduct is an indictment of the way young athletes are treated throughout their lives. Pacman's problems are not new...he was getting into trouble at WVU. Everyone knew it then, he has a problem. He can't stay outta trouble. No one ever did anything about it at West Virginia, all they did was enable him. All so they could make their millions of dollars by exploiting their players, but that's another topic. Pacman had trouble with the law at WVU and everyone around the university did everything they could to keep him on the field so they could make money. All he's ever learned is that as long as he performs on the field, his problems will go away off of it. As much as he made his own decisions, I feel sorry for a lot of the kids who grow up without the advantages most of the people judging them have enjoyed. Especially since, if they didn't have a father, the only males they really see are their coaches and they're too busy trying to figure out how to keep him on the field, rather than out of trouble. It's a little disturbing. I'm not condoning any of Pacman's actions, but I think there's a problem with this society, just as much as with him.

Another thought, Henry and Jones were both disciplinary problems in college. They also went to the same college, West Virginia. Why isn't Rich Rodriguez held accountable in any way? He did nothing about this when they were there. Where the hell was he? He just made sure they kept making the university money by taking them to a bowl game, it's bullshit.

Somehow, I don't think taking a troubled kid and making him a millionaire is the best way to solve people's problems. People should have seen this coming. I feel sorry for Pacman Jones.

I don't feel sorry for that clown at all. He has a chance to make more $ than most people will make in 100 lifetimes. With that comes a certain responsibility. Didn't this guy attend the rookie symposium? sp? At some point you have to learn on your own how to be a man.

I didn't grow up w/ a father around and I had common sense not to hang out with people who carry guns. THAT'S COMMON SENSE!!! Pacman has no common sense and now he has to live with his punishment.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't feel sorry for that clown at all. He has a chance to make more $ than most people will make in 100 lifetimes. With that comes a certain responsibility. Didn't this guy attend the rookie symposium? sp? At some point you have to learn on your own how to be a man.

I didn't grow up w/ a father around and I had common sense not to hang out with people who carry guns. THAT'S COMMON SENSE!!! Pacman has no common sense and now he has to live with his punishment.

I'm not really disagreeing. Also, though, maybe he felt like he grew up in a place where it was thought to be a good idea to carry a gun. He's from a bad part of Atlanta. That's probably a relatively rough area. Also, the point I'm making is that he got a pass his whole life because he could play football. Finally, the rookie symposium is probably something, people like him (those who have been given a pass their whole life), don't have the good sense to pay attention to. Like I've said, he made his own decisions, this is his fault. But there are contributing factors and those factors are the reason I feel sorry for him.

[Hijinx]

What happens to each teams cap space? Can they recover all or part of the money? I mean if it doesn't go to the player does it count toward the cap? Does it make a difference if the Titans release Pacman?


On another note does anyone think this will affect who people draft in the coming years? Will teams choose not to draft a Ramonce Taylor(felony drug possession), Nate Harris(armed robbery), or Eric Wright(sexual assault)? Surely this must cause this type players to drop in the draft. I say this with joy because I have always been for drafting players who had good attitudes as well as skill.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't feel sorry for that clown at all. He has a chance to make more $ than most people will make in 100 lifetimes. With that comes a certain responsibility. Didn't this guy attend the rookie symposium? sp? At some point you have to learn on your own how to be a man.

I didn't grow up w/ a father around and I had common sense not to hang out with people who carry guns. THAT'S COMMON SENSE!!! Pacman has no common sense and now he has to live with his punishment.

Very well said.

I don't have much to say on this topic. I wish it would all just go away the fans could talk more football and less criminal behavior. He deserves what he's getting, and hopefully he will learn something for it, because losing the entire 2007 from a developmental perspective will probably keep him from ever reaching his potential. It's going to take him a few years after he's reinstated to work his way back to the level of play he reached last year, and theres no guarentee he will ever regain his pro bowl form again.