What are we going to do at DE?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Any help is good help. Wynn and Daniels are not cutting it.

Agreed.......And if we have to rely on those two for sixteen games, I can imagine what the game day thread is going to look like. Both these guys are ready for SS, and couldn't mount a pass rush if there were no line in front of them. That's why I find it hard to believe there's no one in this draft good enough to start ahead of either of these guys. Just goes to show the misguided loyalty Gibbs & Co, has for these old guys.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by jsarno

There is absolutely NO DOUBT that we need a DE in the draft. Taking Landry is DUMB because we don't need a safety as bad as we need DL help. The ultimate scenario is if we can trade down and get Okoye at 9 or so, then pick up a DE with the pick we get from that deal.
If we do not trade down, I feel we will still have at least 1 hole to fill. DE is incredibly weak with only Carter being a viable option. He was only OK last year, so not even Carter is entrenched in this position...it needs help bad.

I agree with you 100%

[budw38]

Originally Posted by jsarno

It frustrates me to see this from people. Lloyd is a VERY GOOD wr. You have to have the ball thrown to you to make an impact. He was not used in the system and therefore no production. WR is unlike many position on the field because you are only successful if someone helps you out (QB). You are completely reliant on the QB. The man is very talented.
Trust me, if CJ goes to a crappy team with a crappy qb and gets thrown to at max twice a game...he'll be lucky to register 20 receptions, then everyone here will say, wow, he has no talent, he was overhyped. It's all about opportunity.

I never said he was not good or lacked talent . I was pointing out Gibbs comment that no rookie could crack our starting lineup . If T. Ginn Jr. is on the board at 32 , and the Colts offer me that pick for Loyd ,,, I make that pick. Same goes for Rocky , if Willis is on the board , and a team offers me the pick ,,, I make the trade . I was just making the point that many of these rookies are talented enough to contribute or start . I just hope we grab some extra picks , draft some DL-men and an OL men , because before we know it Samuels / Jansen / Thomas ....// Wynn / Danials / griffen / Salavae will be retired . And Fletcher , Washington are not so young either .

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Don't rule out the possibility of us nabbing either Landry or Okoye and then a DE in addition in round 2 or 3. We signed Smoot and David Macklin for a reason; I think there's a good chance the team unloads Shawn Springs for a 2nd or 3rd round pick somehow.

That move could be to target a G or a DE.

Schneed - would trading Springs have a pretty heft charge against the cap since it is pre June 1st?

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Schneed - would trading Springs have a pretty heft charge against the cap since it is pre June 1st?

No, his salary is about the same as his bonus that he is still due, so the salary cap wont be impacted at all, except that we have to sign a new player that counts towards the cap after we get rid of him.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by budw38

I never said he was not good or lacked talent . I was pointing out Gibbs comment that no rookie could crack our starting lineup . If T. Ginn Jr. is on the board at 32 , and the Colts offer me that pick for Loyd ,,, I make that pick. Same goes for Rocky , if Willis is on the board , and a team offers me the pick ,,, I make the trade . I was just making the point that many of these rookies are talented enough to contribute or start . I just hope we grab some extra picks , draft some DL-men and an OL men , because before we know it Samuels / Jansen / Thomas ....// Wynn / Danials / griffen / Salavae will be retired . And Fletcher , Washington are not so young either .

Alright...I apologize for jumping all over you. I'm just tired of hearing that Brandon Lloyd is not good and we need a WR. We don't. We just need our QB to produce. Something we haven't really seen since Brad Johnson.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Alright...I apologize for jumping all over you. I'm just tired of hearing that Brandon Lloyd is not good and we need a WR. We don't. We just need our QB to produce. Something we haven't really seen since Brad Johnson.

Yeah, what you said! I am tired of a underachieving offense due to lack of solid QB play.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Yeah, what you said! I am tired of a underachieving offense due to lack of solid QB play.

Hopefully that will change this year.
At least if we're going to make a dumb pick somewhere, make it with a solid QB instead of some project. Like Brady Quinn.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Hopefully that will change this year.
At least if we're going to make a dumb pick somewhere, make it with a solid QB instead of some project. Like Brady Quinn.

I couldn't agree more. If he is still there, don't pass him up. My thinking is if we get him, then no one else can hurt us with him.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

I couldn't agree more. If he is still there, don't pass him up. My thinking is if we get him, then no one else can hurt us with him.

It would be better than taking a QB from some obscure university that had some career records even though they had no real good qb's ever in their university history. Ie: Tulane.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

It would be better than taking a QB from some obscure university that had some career records even though they had no real good qb's ever in their university history. Ie: Tulane.

True!

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Man you guys are crazy, i cant tell if you are joking or not. Yes we havent had solid qb play recently, but as I recall we have a guy who looks like he will be solid in Jason Campbell. If Quinn dropped to us and we took him, i might quit being a redskins fan because that would be one of the dumbest moves. Quinn would be more of a project than Campbell due to the fact that he will be a rookie. We also have a horrible defense that we need to adress in the draft.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Drafting an end won't matter, because as Coach Gibbs has stated, there isn't really a starting position on the team where a rookie could come in and perform better than the established vets...

Total nonsense that Gibbs probably believes and will follow through on to the detriment of the team. Gibbs is a guy who started Holman for two years and played Brunell ahead of Campbell, as well as Ramsey; and let a number of quality players go for nonsensical reasons-- thereby suceeding in destroying the team three years in a row.
I believe Gaines Adams (if he gets a fair shot) can't beat out Daniels at 34 years old like I believe I have a chance with Angelina Joli. Also, the notion that Okoye would have to sit for a year or Calvin Johnson needing to sit for the sake of anybody but Moss is beyond ludicrous-- which, of course, doesn't mean that Gibbs wouldn't sit them for the sake of his BS security needs; because he would.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Man you guys are crazy, i cant tell if you are joking or not. Yes we havent had solid qb play recently, but as I recall we have a guy who looks like he will be solid in Jason Campbell. If Quinn dropped to us and we took him, i might quit being a redskins fan because that would be one of the dumbest moves. Quinn would be more of a project than Campbell due to the fact that he will be a rookie. We also have a horrible defense that we need to adress in the draft.

No, I think you're just jumping into the middle of a conversation that has been going on for a couple days / several threads / and even some PM's. We both feel that we need a DL or DE. I'm just saying that if we are going to be dumb and take something other than that, at least take someone like Quinn. It's dumb, but it's less dumb than taking a WR.
Okoye needs to be our guy...only if Adams is gone.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Man you guys are crazy, i cant tell if you are joking or not. Yes we havent had solid qb play recently, but as I recall we have a guy who looks like he will be solid in Jason Campbell. If Quinn dropped to us and we took him, i might quit being a redskins fan because that would be one of the dumbest moves. Quinn would be more of a project than Campbell due to the fact that he will be a rookie. We also have a horrible defense that we need to adress in the draft.

First of all, I am not saying that Campbell is bad. Second, you always take the best available player, we could always trade him. Third look at Joe Gibbs's draft history. He took a QB in the draft every two years during his first tenure as head coach. He is due to draft another. Fourth, Joe firmly believes in not passing up on a first round caliber QB.

We are only saying that if he is still available at six, take him, trade the pick or draft for need.