It's LaRon Landry!

4mrusmc · 05-02-2007, 07:50 AM

Nice job RedskinP, and good follow-up Matty. But, I would have liked to have seen the stat on tackles as well. I think that would have also trended with the other years accordingly.

GoSkins! · 05-02-2007, 08:27 AM

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Sherriff's piece is great. Top notch stuff. I would make this point about the yards per carry we give up. 3.1 in 2004 is superb. It means that teams simply couldn't run the ball. 4.1 in 2005 is okay. You're not stuffing people but you're not getting bulldozed either. 4.5 in 2006 puts you in dangerous territory. The .4 yards between 4.1 and 4.5 are far more significant than the 1 yard between 3.1 and 4.1. At some point, if the numbers keep going up, you pass a tipping point.

Think of it this way. If you went from throwing 40 TDs to 20 and then 10, the drop from 20 to 10 is much more devestating even though it's a numerically smaller decrease than going from 40 to 20.

I think what's significant is that the Redskins have gotten consistently worse and they should have done something to adress the negative trend after 2005.

You have to consider LB play when looking at the yards per carry. I think that we all saw how much worse it got with Pierce gone and Holdman playing. Arringtons presence on running down late in 2005 solidified the run defense. It is easy for me to believewhat I am being told by the skins talking heads. They think the DL is not to blame for the poor run defense and they acknowldege that the DE position could be improved but not with late round draft picks.

Beemnseven · 05-02-2007, 10:43 AM

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It worked in his time with the Titans and Bills as well, and the roots of his scheme goes back to Buddy Ryan and the 46 which brought pressure from all over the field too. It may not be conventional, but it's also not a fad type of system either.

Yeah, I know his scheme isn't flavor of the month type stuff, but Buddy Ryan apparently found it important enough to build his defenses with top notch linemen like Dent, Hampton, Clyde Simmons, Jerome Brown and Reggie White.

You still have to have a decent front four. I know the coaches think everything is hunky-dorey with our guys, but we'll know for sure by August.

Beemnseven · 05-02-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

You have to consider LB play when looking at the yards per carry. I think that we all saw how much worse it got with Pierce gone and Holdman playing. Arringtons presence on running down late in 2005 solidified the run defense. It is easy for me to believewhat I am being told by the skins talking heads. They think the DL is not to blame for the poor run defense and they acknowldege that the DE position could be improved but not with late round draft picks.

I went to NFL.com and added up all the tackles by the four starters in 2005 (Daniels, Griffin, Salave'a and Wynn) and they totalled 118. Last year, Daniels, Griff, Salave'a and Carter all got 127. So while the run defense statistically plummeted, the front four actually made more tackles.

I know stats can be deceiving with defensive linemen, but I do think your point about the linebackers slacking last year has some validity.

MTK · 05-02-2007, 11:10 AM

Interesting to see the D-line actually had more tackles, but I guess we could also consider that teams probably pounded us more with the run since it worked so well. I guess we could always look up rushing attempts against our D from 2005 vs. 2006 to see if that holds any water.

hail_2_da_skins · 05-02-2007, 01:22 PM

My response was that "I hated it". I chose that response because I felt the Redskins biggest need was defensive line. It was not addressed. Landry will probably be a good safety, if not a great safety, but the defensive line is horrible and the defense will continue to struggle if they cannot get any pressure on the opposing quarterback. I don't care how good your secondary is, if you cannot get after the quarterback, most professional quarterbacks will pick your secondarty apart. I good pass rush makes a mediocre secondary look good. Both sides of the ball are built up front. You need a strong offensive line and a strong defensive line. Otherwise, your team will struggle. The Redskins are hoping for a miracle. They want this aging defensive line to all of a sudden become healthy and skilled. Good Luck.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2007, 01:24 PM

I think defensively it's different. Could a great secondary not make your defensive line look great? I'm sure you've heard of coverage sacks. Hopefully we can get some more of those since we're not having AA or Kenny Wright getting toasted every other play.

SmootSmack · 05-02-2007, 01:26 PM

I would contend that Carter came on strong at the end of last season, Golston showed a lot of promise (coaches like Montgomery as well), and Griffin is still a force. So the line, while not awesome, is not awful.

Monkeydad · 05-02-2007, 01:59 PM

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I would contend that Carter came on strong at the end of last season, Golston showed a lot of promise (coaches like Montgomery as well), and Griffin is still a force. So the line, while not awesome, is not awful.

You are correct. If they stay healthy, they're not bad...you could even call them "pretty good".

The whines that we have the worst D-Line in the NFL are ridiculous.

70Chip · 05-02-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I would contend that Carter came on strong at the end of last season, Golston showed a lot of promise (coaches like Montgomery as well), and Griffin is still a force. So the line, while not awesome, is not awful.

If no one gets hurt (Griffin) and no one's play declines because of age (Daniels, Wynn, Salavea) , they will be fine.

Redskins_P · 05-02-2007, 02:19 PM

I think the key will be how healthy Salave'a is. When healthy, he's a decent run stopper that plays with a high motor.

I'm also interested in seeing the development of Montgomery and Golston.

SmootSmack · 05-02-2007, 02:21 PM

And I'm still on the Jared Clauss Bandwagon (just me and his mama I suppose). Watch out for him this year!

offiss · 05-02-2007, 03:17 PM

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And I'm still on the Jared Clauss Bandwagon (just me and his mama I suppose). Watch out for him this year!

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SmootSmack · 05-02-2007, 03:58 PM

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So uh...you on this bandwagon with me? The Clauss Caravan

offiss · 05-02-2007, 06:29 PM

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So uh...you on this bandwagon with me? The Clauss Caravan

Not really.

I think they really need to develope Golston and Montgomery, this season at least on defense will probably hinge on these 2 and whether or not they can be bonified players on the inside, that will allow Salvae and Griffen to stay fresh and hopefully healthy. We will be able to pressure the QB with our blitz packages if they can just hold the point of attack. If they are progressing as Gibbs has suggested then we will be looking very strong on defense, and 1 draft away from really solidifing the team as a whole.

Campbell will have his growing pains this year [up's and downs] while he learns, next season we should be primed for a SB run hopefully.

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4mrusmc Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 55 Posts: 559	Re: It's LaRon Landry! Nice job RedskinP, and good follow-up Matty. But, I would have liked to have seen the stat on tackles as well. I think that would have also trended with the other years accordingly.

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hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 69 Posts: 868	Re: It's LaRon Landry! My response was that "I hated it". I chose that response because I felt the Redskins biggest need was defensive line. It was not addressed. Landry will probably be a good safety, if not a great safety, but the defensive line is horrible and the defense will continue to struggle if they cannot get any pressure on the opposing quarterback. I don't care how good your secondary is, if you cannot get after the quarterback, most professional quarterbacks will pick your secondarty apart. I good pass rush makes a mediocre secondary look good. Both sides of the ball are built up front. You need a strong offensive line and a strong defensive line. Otherwise, your team will struggle. The Redskins are hoping for a miracle. They want this aging defensive line to all of a sudden become healthy and skilled. Good Luck. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

05-02-2007, 01:24 PM	#112
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: It's LaRon Landry! I think defensively it's different. Could a great secondary not make your defensive line look great? I'm sure you've heard of coverage sacks. Hopefully we can get some more of those since we're not having AA or Kenny Wright getting toasted every other play. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-02-2007, 01:26 PM	#113
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: It's LaRon Landry! I would contend that Carter came on strong at the end of last season, Golston showed a lot of promise (coaches like Montgomery as well), and Griffin is still a force. So the line, while not awesome, is not awful. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-02-2007, 02:19 PM	#116
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	Re: It's LaRon Landry! I think the key will be how healthy Salave'a is. When healthy, he's a decent run stopper that plays with a high motor. I'm also interested in seeing the development of Montgomery and Golston.

05-02-2007, 02:21 PM	#117
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: It's LaRon Landry! And I'm still on the Jared Clauss Bandwagon (just me and his mama I suppose). Watch out for him this year! __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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