Santana vs. Randy

gabe1984 · 05-02-2007, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I personally think Santana is a very good #2 WR. But I don't think he is a pure number one.

I strongly disagree with this statement. I honestly don't understand how you can say that. He started in the pro bowl 2 season ago. Have you seen the man play?

skinsfan69 · 05-02-2007, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe1984

I strongly disagree with this statement. I honestly don't understand how you can say that. He started in the pro bowl 2 season ago. Have you seen the man play?

Just cause you play in the pro bowl two years ago does not mean you are a true #1 wr. Pro Bowl doesn't mean anything to me. Don't get me wrong. I love Moss. I love his speed, run after the catch and the way he catches the ball. I think he is very very good NFL WR. No question about that. But I would not put him in the same category as:

TO
R.Moss
C. Johnson
M. Harrison
S.Smith
T.Holt

gabe1984 · 05-02-2007, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Just cause you play in the pro bowl two years ago does not mean you are a true #1 wr. Pro Bowl doesn't mean anything to me. Don't get me wrong. I love Moss. I love his speed, run after the catch and the way he catches the ball. I think he is very very good NFL WR. No question about that. But I would not put him in the same category as:

TO
R.Moss
C. Johnson
M. Harrison
S.Smith
T.Holt

he's not in the same category as chad johnson? and you said he wasn't a good number 1 receiver, that's just bogus.

skinsfan69 · 05-02-2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe1984

he's not in the same category as chad johnson? and you said he wasn't a good number 1 receiver, that's just bogus.

Chad Johnson has caught 90+ balls 4 years in a row. Plus he never ever gets hurt. Sorry but Chad is the better wr.

skinsfan69 · 05-02-2007, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe1984

he's not in the same category as chad johnson? and you said he wasn't a good number 1 receiver, that's just bogus.

and i never said he wasn't a good #1. i said i think sm is a very very good #2 wr.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 05-02-2007, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

and i never said he wasn't a good #1. i said i think sm is a very very good #2 wr.

and a very good number one as well

skinsfan69 · 05-02-2007, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

and a very good number one as well

i think santana has to come back big this year and i think he will. but what kinda bothers me is that he trains down in fla. he should be here throwing w/ jc right now so they have the timing down. now is the time to work out all the kinks. last year the two of them were just not on the same page. but i'm sure everything will take care of itself.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 05-02-2007, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

i think santana has to come back big this year and i think he will. but what kinda bothers me is that he trains down in fla. he should be here throwing w/ jc right now so they have the timing down. now is the time to work out all the kinks. last year the two of them were just not on the same page. but i'm sure everything will take care of itself.

it will just wait and see

gabe1984 · 05-03-2007, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

and i never said he wasn't a good #1. i said i think sm is a very very good #2 wr.

skins fan, you said that santana moss is not a pure #1 receiver, that's bogus

skinsfan69 · 05-03-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe1984

skins fan, you said that santana moss is not a pure #1 receiver, that's bogus

correct. and i stand by that. how can u say santana is a pure #1 when in 6 years he has broken 1000+ yards twice?? sorry but he 's not in the upper class of wr's in the league. i would put him in the 2nd tier of wr's. and that's not a bad thing and i'm not knocking him cause i love the guy and i'm glad he's a redskin. i hope he takes off and has an 05 type of year.

12thMan · 05-03-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

correct. and i stand by that. how can u say santana is a pure #1 when in 6 years he has broken 1000+ yards twice?? sorry but he 's not in the upper class of wr's in the league. i would put him in the 2nd tier of wr's. and that's not a bad thing and i'm not knocking him cause i love the guy and i'm glad he's a redskin. i hope he takes off and has an 05 type of year.

Well in 7 seasons Reggie Wayne has had only three 1000+ seasons. I would consider him a number one.

12thMan · 05-02-2007, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Just cause you play in the pro bowl two years ago does not mean you are a true #1 wr. Pro Bowl doesn't mean anything to me. Don't get me wrong. I love Moss. I love his speed, run after the catch and the way he catches the ball. I think he is very very good NFL WR. No question about that. But I would not put him in the same category as:

TO
R.Moss
C. Johnson
M. Harrison
S.Smith
T.Holt

You know what, if you have TO at the top of that list and he led the NFL in dropped balls, that tells me we're probably using two different measuring sticks.

GTripp0012 · 05-02-2007, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Just cause you play in the pro bowl two years ago does not mean you are a true #1 wr. Pro Bowl doesn't mean anything to me. Don't get me wrong. I love Moss. I love his speed, run after the catch and the way he catches the ball. I think he is very very good NFL WR. No question about that. But I would not put him in the same category as:

TO
R.Moss
C. Johnson
M. Harrison
S.Smith
T.Holt

Those are the only No. 1? Elite stuff.

Unless you are taking his performance from 4 years ago (a really long time), Randy Moss doesn't belong anywhere near those other guys. Owens probably doesn't either, but at least hes done something in the last 3 years. Randy Moss' on field play cost the Raiders points over the last two years. I can't stress this point enough. He cost his own team points, and he's on your list of elite receviers. That's wack.

skinsfan69 · 05-02-2007, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Those are the only No. 1? Elite stuff.

Unless you are taking his performance from 4 years ago (a really long time), Randy Moss doesn't belong anywhere near those other guys. Owens probably doesn't either, but at least hes done something in the last 3 years. Randy Moss' on field play cost the Raiders points over the last two years. I can't stress this point enough. He cost his own team points, and he's on your list of elite receviers. That's wack.

How can you judge any wr's in Oak the last two years? Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter and an OC that was running a bed and breakfast. That's wack.

Ownes led all WR's last year in TD's w/ missed time and a broken hand. He's a pain in the ass but that SOB produces. Why do you think JJ is paying him the roster bonus? He knows he needs him to win.

12thMan · 05-02-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How can you judge any wr's in Oak the last two years? Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter and an OC that was running a bed and breakfast. That's wack.

Ownes led all WR's last year in TD's w/ missed time and a broken hand. He's a pain in the ass but that SOB produces. Why do you think JJ is paying him the roster bonus? He knows he needs him to win.

Conversely, how can you not take Moss' production into consideration with Brunell throwing to him. Not that Brunell is terrible, but he's not exactly known for throwing the long ball either.

TOs catches and TDs mean nothing to me if he leads the league in drops.

Santana vs. Randy

Locker Room Main Forum