Santana vs. Randy

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How can you judge any wr's in Oak the last two years? Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter and an OC that was running a bed and breakfast. That's wack.

Ownes led all WR's last year in TD's w/ missed time and a broken hand. He's a pain in the ass but that SOB produces. Why do you think JJ is paying him the roster bonus? He knows he needs him to win.

Conversely, how can you not take Moss' production into consideration with Brunell throwing to him. Not that Brunell is terrible, but he's not exactly known for throwing the long ball either.

TOs catches and TDs mean nothing to me if he leads the league in drops.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Conversely, how can you not take Moss' production into consideration with Brunell throwing to him. Not that Brunell is terrible, but he's not exactly known for throwing the long ball either.

TOs catches and TDs mean nothing to me if he leads the league in drops.

Good point. I personally dont think Santana is the best, nor do I think he is better than R.Moss was in his prime. As of now though? Santana owns this competition. Plus you dont have to deal with all that extra bullshit that comes with Randy.

However, I do feel that Santana needs to validate him this next year to clearly establish he is a elite receiver. Even during the 05 season he was streaky at times. Some amazing games, a couple with low numbers. I guess that applies with many receivers, and that fact that he started getting tripled has something to do with it, but I still feel to be considered one of the BEST he must perform at a very high level consistently, for several years. I think he is almost there, this next season will show.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Good point. I personally dont think Santana is the best, nor do I think he is better than R.Moss was in his prime. As of now though? Santana owns this competition. Plus you dont have to deal with all that extra bullshit that comes with Randy.

However, I do feel that Santana needs to validate him this next year to clearly establish he is a elite receiver. Even during the 05 season he was streaky at times. Some amazing games, a couple with low numbers. I guess that applies with many receivers, and that fact that he started getting tripled has something to do with it, but I still feel to be considered one of the BEST he must perform at a very high level consistently, for several years. I think he is almost there, this next season will show.

excellent point right now no contest i b/c of his less character issues would take moss santana moss didnt mean to say that in a bond james bond kind of way

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Conversely, how can you not take Moss' production into consideration with Brunell throwing to him. Not that Brunell is terrible, but he's not exactly known for throwing the long ball either.

TOs catches and TDs mean nothing to me if he leads the league in drops.

You have a point. Moss and JC were out of sync too. But RM has over 100 td's. Not too many wr's in the history of the NFL can say that.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You have a point. Moss and JC were out of sync too. But RM has over 100 td's. Not too many wr's in the history of the NFL can say that.

Just to be clear, I think RM is a future Hall of Famer. But right here, right now I take S. Moss all day long.

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Just to be clear, I think RM is a future Hall of Famer. But right here, right now I take S. Moss all day long.

Yes, and that's the whole point of the thread. Who would you rather have now.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by gabe1984

Yes, and that's the whole point of the thread. Who would you rather have now.

Did you even read my post? I said I would rather have Santana.

Look, Randy Moss has had a great career. That's not up for debate.

To compare R. Moss to S. Moss over the course of a career is like comparing apples and oranges, wouldn't it?

The bulk of Randy's career was with the Vikings. In the past few years his production and attitude have declined considerably. So if we're not talking the right here and now about which one you'd rather have, then what are discussing, past seasons?

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Did you even read my post? I said I would rather have Santana.

Look, Randy Moss has had a great career. That's not up for debate.

To compare R. Moss to S. Moss over the course of a career is like comparing apples and oranges, wouldn't it?

The bulk of Randy's career was with the Vikings. In the past few years his production and attitude have declined considerably. So if we're not talking the right here and now about which one you'd rather have, then what are discussing, past seasons?

12th man, I was trying to commend you. I agree with your opinion, I do not understand the hostility. I started the thread, and if you look at my original post I said that I want Santana too. Infact every post I've made has been advocating him, I don't understand what you're talking about.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by gabe1984

12th man, I was trying to commend you. I agree with your opinion, I do not understand the hostility. I started the thread, and if you look at my original post I said that I want Santana too. Infact every post I've made has been advocating him, I don't understand what you're talking about.

Sorry, Gabe. I figured that's were saying after I re-read the post.

It's that time of the month for me