Here comes Sally

skinsfan69 · 05-14-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sbaughone

gimme a break. sally jenkins is the worst kind of sportswriter there is - the kind that only rehashes old crap to get people riled up. I don't give a dern if she's a man or a woman. What bugs me is that she weaves these little tales out of her manhattan apartment. The bottom line is simple: springs and taylor are holding out because of money. Sean Taylor signed the contract - an $18 million dollar contract. That might not be much to him, but it's a heckuva lot to me. And shawn springs is 32. That might not be too old to do my puny job, but it's fair to ask if he's getting too old to play professional football. So blame these guys if you want, but please, don't try and say this is Gibbs fault because he drafted the best player in the draft, who just happens to also play safety. To do that is to agree with jenkins and admit that you really don't either understand football or business.

Neither guy is holding out. OTA workouts are not mandatory.

hail_2_da_skins · 05-14-2007, 11:38 AM

Sally Jenkins rarely has anything positive to say about the Redskins. I'm surprised the Washington Post continues to publish this garbage. It's much too early to make anything of these absences. Springs had informed his position coach, he wasn't going to show up until June and he is working our with a specialist. What's the problem. Sean Taylor has been a no show on these voluntary workouts since he has been a Skin. Obviously it doesn't bother him that he is working on Gibbs's last nerve. And this is not the way to negotiate a contract extension. But he is young and his agent has done this before with his other clients. Hopefully we won't see another TO experience.

Oakland Red · 05-14-2007, 12:10 PM

Jenkins' article is off base, though it is not without any merit, in my view.

I think that Jenkins raises a good point in that the Redskins could have signed Ryan Clark for 1.5 million, and if GW had been more tuned in to what Clark meant to the team and to Sean Taylor, we would have a lot more money available, would have had a much better team last year, and more harmony overall. Human beings being imperfect, mistakes are made, and that is part of life needless to say. One good result is that we now have a great new prospect in Laron Landry.

However, you can't blame Coach Gibbs because of Taylor's decision to be awol; that is Taylor's choice. Sean Taylor has a contract he is playing under and that is not related to personnel decisions the team makes that he may or may not like. He is someone who it has been difficult to reach not infrequently, as Jenkins points out. He may be an emotional person and is responding according to what his feelings are. Taylor has been awol when Ryan Clark was on the team too. The fact is that the Redskins have been very patient and supportive of him through all of his legal difficulties. There is no shame whatsoever for Coach Gibbs in a grown man's decision not to be in touch. To blame Gibbs, as Jenkins does is spurious. As for Cris Carter, he is paid to make inflammatory statements. Enough said about his view.

Shawn Springs is causing a needless disruption by his absense, and this is his decision. Yes, the Redskins tried to replace him, and you can't blame them for that, because so much depends on having a healthy secondary. Yes, they asked him to take a pay cut, and that was their right. It was his right to refuse, and that is over and done with. Those things happened, but that is different from Springs' decision not to show up. He may relate them in his mind, and Jenkins may do that, but it really comes down to a grown man who is making a decision that simply suits his purposes. It has nothing legitimate to do with Coach Gibbs.

It is still early, and hopefully the two players will recognize the wisdom is returning to the fold soon. Mistakes are made by human beings and that is life.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 05-14-2007, 12:44 PM

The old saying in media is: "It doesn't matter what they say about you...as long as they're talking about you". I would bet that Sally generates a larger response than many of the WPs other sportswriters because of her negativity towards the Skins. There is not much concrete feedback a sportswriter can get other than E-mail or written responses to their articles. Sally knows how to play the game and I'm sure that Manhattan apartment doesn't come cheap. I just ignore Sally and this useless trash and use her articles for what they are best for, lining the bottom of a bird cage or to start up the old fireplace.

JDALY27 · 05-14-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

You bring up a good point.

With quite a few NFL teams constantly having disciplinary problems these days, it seems like the Redskins, with the exception of the one Taylor incident,rarely pop up on the radar screen.

I think you can attribute some of this to Gibbs' "being in touch."

Exactly the point. What other writer would be allowed to get away with such an outlandishly bias report? She works for the Washington Post for GOD SAKE!!!! We don't need to read her negative opinions showing no respect for Gibbs and the Redskins. Basically calling them idiots...

WHO ARE YOU SALLY???? WHAT ARE YOU SALLY??????

firstdown · 05-14-2007, 01:16 PM

Do we have to go through all of this every year with Taylor and jumping to all of theses made up conclusions. Tayler has never been very good at showning up for these practices and for that matter comunicating with the FO. When he does show up he is in shape and ready to begin the new year. I think that all of the coaches have comented at some point about how ST gives it 110% ever pratice and works his butt off at every pratice. So until does something differently I really don't care what he is doing as long he is staying out of trouble.

SmootSmack · 05-14-2007, 01:28 PM

Really, my only gripe with Sean Taylor showing up is this: such a big deal was made last year about how he and Arch didn't communicate well and how he really missed Ryan Clark. Well now's a chance for him to start fresh with Landry. To take on the role for Landry that Clark did for him.

That'd be nice to see him step up and participate in that sense. For his own conditioning though he doesn't need to be there.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 05-14-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Brave

JDALY,

Not to start anything with you, but I could say that I know a lot of men who don't know shit about football either.

i agree with that too

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 05-14-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

... Bitch.

i second that

hesscl34 · 05-14-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JDALY27

Women don't know shit about football. Sally Jenkins has no idea what the hell is going on. The fact that she writes these negative articles about the Skins over and over should say something. She pronounced them dead when they made their playoff run. Now this! Questioning Gibbs b/c Taylor wants a new contract or whatever. How the hell does he prevent any Redskins from ever being unhappy???

EH!!! Watch it!!!

hesscl34 · 05-14-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JDALY27

I guess you're right about that. Sally puts a very bad taste in my mouth. I just don't think that I would be a good writer when it came to field hockey or getting my hair done or another activity that men don't participate in.....

wow... did you grow up in a barn???

MTK · 05-14-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really, my only gripe with Sean Taylor showing up is this: such a big deal was made last year about how he and Arch didn't communicate well and how he really missed Ryan Clark. Well now's a chance for him to start fresh with Landry. To take on the role for Landry that Clark did for him.

That'd be nice to see him step up and participate in that sense. For his own conditioning though he doesn't need to be there.

It is disappointing that he isn't showing up to voluntary workouts to at least set an example for the younger guys.

JDALY27 · 05-14-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

wow... did you grow up in a barn???

Hahahahaha. Don't think so. But who knows. With all the substance abuse over the years maybe I blacked that out......

Paintrain · 05-14-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Normally, I cannot stand her Redskin commentary but she is dead on with this one.

Grim, I agree with you.. If JLaC wrote this or Howard Bryant we wouldn't be as up in arms.. I can't stand her typically, but what did she say that was so incorrect?

Springs and Taylor are our 2 best players in the secondary. A secondary that allowed 30 TD passes last year. They need to be there, regardless if it is voluntary or not.

Until proven otherwise, Gibbs 2.0 has been a failure so calling it what it is doesn't make it negative, it makes it a fact.

offiss · 05-14-2007, 03:34 PM

Taylor does the same thing every year the only reason he showed up last year was the fact he had to be on his best behavior because of the charges agianst him, charges dropped, Taylor missing, what else is new. And as usual Gibbs sending out his plea for Taylor to get in touch with him through the media, [perhaps he should put his picture on the back of a milk carton] It's not like any of this extra work has provided progress for the skins, Gibbs has players working thier tails off so they can take the field on opening day and then watch the teachers pet in Brunell stink the place up, it's very easy to lose the players confidence with that kind of decision making. Although it is a different scenerio this year with Campbell starting the same mind set is in place.

Personally I don't think Springs is a money prob, I believe at his age he's very anxious for a championship becuase he doesn't have much time left and doesn't believe Gibbs is remotly close as a coach any more to a championship, and want's to go some where where he has a chance to compete for one.

05-14-2007, 11:38 AM	#32
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 69 Posts: 868	Re: Here comes Sally Sally Jenkins rarely has anything positive to say about the Redskins. I'm surprised the Washington Post continues to publish this garbage. It's much too early to make anything of these absences. Springs had informed his position coach, he wasn't going to show up until June and he is working our with a specialist. What's the problem. Sean Taylor has been a no show on these voluntary workouts since he has been a Skin. Obviously it doesn't bother him that he is working on Gibbs's last nerve. And this is not the way to negotiate a contract extension. But he is young and his agent has done this before with his other clients. Hopefully we won't see another TO experience. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

05-14-2007, 12:10 PM	#33
Oakland Red Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oakland, Calif. Posts: 268	Re: Here comes Sally Jenkins' article is off base, though it is not without any merit, in my view. I think that Jenkins raises a good point in that the Redskins could have signed Ryan Clark for 1.5 million, and if GW had been more tuned in to what Clark meant to the team and to Sean Taylor, we would have a lot more money available, would have had a much better team last year, and more harmony overall. Human beings being imperfect, mistakes are made, and that is part of life needless to say. One good result is that we now have a great new prospect in Laron Landry. However, you can't blame Coach Gibbs because of Taylor's decision to be awol; that is Taylor's choice. Sean Taylor has a contract he is playing under and that is not related to personnel decisions the team makes that he may or may not like. He is someone who it has been difficult to reach not infrequently, as Jenkins points out. He may be an emotional person and is responding according to what his feelings are. Taylor has been awol when Ryan Clark was on the team too. The fact is that the Redskins have been very patient and supportive of him through all of his legal difficulties. There is no shame whatsoever for Coach Gibbs in a grown man's decision not to be in touch. To blame Gibbs, as Jenkins does is spurious. As for Cris Carter, he is paid to make inflammatory statements. Enough said about his view. Shawn Springs is causing a needless disruption by his absense, and this is his decision. Yes, the Redskins tried to replace him, and you can't blame them for that, because so much depends on having a healthy secondary. Yes, they asked him to take a pay cut, and that was their right. It was his right to refuse, and that is over and done with. Those things happened, but that is different from Springs' decision not to show up. He may relate them in his mind, and Jenkins may do that, but it really comes down to a grown man who is making a decision that simply suits his purposes. It has nothing legitimate to do with Coach Gibbs. It is still early, and hopefully the two players will recognize the wisdom is returning to the fold soon. Mistakes are made by human beings and that is life.

05-14-2007, 12:44 PM	#34
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,347	Re: Here comes Sally The old saying in media is: "It doesn't matter what they say about you...as long as they're talking about you". I would bet that Sally generates a larger response than many of the WPs other sportswriters because of her negativity towards the Skins. There is not much concrete feedback a sportswriter can get other than E-mail or written responses to their articles. Sally knows how to play the game and I'm sure that Manhattan apartment doesn't come cheap. I just ignore Sally and this useless trash and use her articles for what they are best for, lining the bottom of a bird cage or to start up the old fireplace. __________________ "I would bet.....(if), an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything] in the world you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

05-14-2007, 01:16 PM	#36
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Here comes Sally Do we have to go through all of this every year with Taylor and jumping to all of theses made up conclusions. Tayler has never been very good at showning up for these practices and for that matter comunicating with the FO. When he does show up he is in shape and ready to begin the new year. I think that all of the coaches have comented at some point about how ST gives it 110% ever pratice and works his butt off at every pratice. So until does something differently I really don't care what he is doing as long he is staying out of trouble.

05-14-2007, 01:28 PM	#37
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Here comes Sally Really, my only gripe with Sean Taylor showing up is this: such a big deal was made last year about how he and Arch didn't communicate well and how he really missed Ryan Clark. Well now's a chance for him to start fresh with Landry. To take on the role for Landry that Clark did for him. That'd be nice to see him step up and participate in that sense. For his own conditioning though he doesn't need to be there. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-14-2007, 03:34 PM	#45
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Re: Here comes Sally Taylor does the same thing every year the only reason he showed up last year was the fact he had to be on his best behavior because of the charges agianst him, charges dropped, Taylor missing, what else is new. And as usual Gibbs sending out his plea for Taylor to get in touch with him through the media, [perhaps he should put his picture on the back of a milk carton] It's not like any of this extra work has provided progress for the skins, Gibbs has players working thier tails off so they can take the field on opening day and then watch the teachers pet in Brunell stink the place up, it's very easy to lose the players confidence with that kind of decision making. Although it is a different scenerio this year with Campbell starting the same mind set is in place. Personally I don't think Springs is a money prob, I believe at his age he's very anxious for a championship becuase he doesn't have much time left and doesn't believe Gibbs is remotly close as a coach any more to a championship, and want's to go some where where he has a chance to compete for one.

Here comes Sally

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