CBS Sportsline list of overrated and underrated players for each team

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by jsarno

But Vick has won games too...if Vick is overrated, so is VY.

but no one expected vince young to revolutinize the qb position like they did with vick he is an athlete with an arm and no accuracy. at least young as some accuracy and like gtripp said vince young's hype isnt as much as vick's and he will live up to it unlike vick

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

but no one expected vince young to revolutinize the qb position like they did with vick he is an athlete with an arm and no accuracy. at least young as some accuracy and like gtripp said vince young's hype isnt as much as vick's and he will live up to it unlike vick

Umm what?
VY- 06, 51.5% comp.
VICK- 06, 52.6% comp.

Vick's first full year: 54.9%
Vick's average season: 53.8%

Right now, Vick is more accurate...and that is completely sad cause Vick sucks. They are both very overrated.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Umm what?
VY- 06, 51.5% comp.
VICK- 06, 52.6% comp.

Vick's first full year: 54.9%
Vick's average season: 53.8%

Right now, Vick is more accurate...and that is completely sad cause Vick sucks. They are both very overrated.

Once again you are missing the point. Right now Vick had better recievers and a better TE (although they dropped stuff). And Vick had way more hype coming out, and Vince young this was his rokkie season unlike Vick who is a seasoned vet who completeion percentage should be higher than 53.8%. Young will be higher this year and Vick's will stay the same. If it wasnt for that little 2 and a half game stretch for vick he would have been in the high forties. Jason Campbell was only 53% this season. Why? because it was his first season starting and he didnt start all the games just like Vince Young.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Once again you are missing the point. Right now Vick had better recievers and a better TE (although they dropped stuff). And Vick had way more hype coming out, and Vince young this was his rokkie season unlike Vick who is a seasoned vet who completeion percentage should be higher than 53.8%. Young will be higher this year and Vick's will stay the same. If it wasnt for that little 2 and a half game stretch for vick he would have been in the high forties. Jason Campbell was only 53% this season. Why? because it was his first season starting and he didnt start all the games just like Vince Young.

You know what's funny? If you combined like 500 of Quake's post, it still wouldn't add up to as much as he just wrote there.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You know what's funny? If you combined like 500 of Quake's post, it still wouldn't add up to as much as he just wrote there.

Thank you SS. I have decided to take the message of my fellow warpath brothers and lengthen my post woth more information.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Once again you are missing the point. Right now Vick had better recievers and a better TE (although they dropped stuff). And Vick had way more hype coming out, and Vince young this was his rokkie season unlike Vick who is a seasoned vet who completeion percentage should be higher than 53.8%. Young will be higher this year and Vick's will stay the same. If it wasnt for that little 2 and a half game stretch for vick he would have been in the high forties. Jason Campbell was only 53% this season. Why? because it was his first season starting and he didnt start all the games just like Vince Young.

Pretty solid analysis.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Umm what?
VY- 06, 51.5% comp.
VICK- 06, 52.6% comp.

Vick's first full year: 54.9%
Vick's average season: 53.8%

Right now, Vick is more accurate...and that is completely sad cause Vick sucks. They are both very overrated.

Single season sample issues aside, the difference is that in theory, Young should get way better as a passer in his second season and beyond.

Vick appears to have gotten a really lucky first season based on his averages. Vick is just a horrible passer.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Single season sample issues aside, the difference is that in theory, Young should get way better as a passer in his second season and beyond.

Vick appears to have gotten a really lucky first season based on his averages. Vick is just a horrible passer.

You're right...and at this point, so is VY. Funny all the love VY gets here...oddly enough, Vick had that love at one point too.
"YOU WANNA CROWN HIS ASS THEN CROWN HIM". Haha.
They both suck...sorry...they are both amazingly overrated. VY is nothing special minus his legs, and so is Vick. Right now, they are on identical paths.

Oh, and earthquake...when exactly did Vick have good receivers? I didn't miss your point at all...you said he was accurate, he is not. He is the definition of overrated.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You're right...and at this point, so is VY. Funny all the love VY gets here...oddly enough, Vick had that love at one point too.
"YOU WANNA CROWN HIS ASS THEN CROWN HIM". Haha.
They both suck...sorry...they are both amazingly overrated. VY is nothing special minus his legs, and so is Vick. Right now, they are on identical paths.

Oh, and earthquake...when exactly did Vick have good receivers? I didn't miss your point at all...you said he was accurate, he is not. He is the definition of overrated.

No no no I said he had better recievers than young did and he has been in the league since 2001. He should not have the same accuracy rating as a rookie QB who didnt even start the entire season.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

No no no I said he had better recievers than young did and he has been in the league since 2001. He should not have the same accuracy rating as a rookie QB who didnt even start the entire season.

OK, I know this is somewhat beating a dead horse cause you fully beleive VY is not overrated, and I clearly do...so we may just need to agree to disagree. But I thought it was worthy to point out Vick's WR's during his first full season:
Brian Finneran 56 - 838
Shawn Jefferson 27 - 394
Trevor Gaylor 25 - 385
Willie Jackson 18 - 199
Quentin McCord 11 - 253
That quite possibly could rank up there with one of the worst WR corps EVER!
I'm not saying VY had a GREAT WR corp, but I'd take Bennett / Givens (injured) Jones and Wade over what Vick had any day. Although I will agree it's pretty weak.
FYI- Young threw more INT's than TD's last year...for as bad as Vick is (and overrated) in a full season, Vick has never done that. That doesn't bode well for Young.
PS- While Young didn't play the entire season, he did play in 15 games. Seriously...15 games.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by jsarno

OK, I know this is somewhat beating a dead horse cause you fully beleive VY is not overrated, and I clearly do...so we may just need to agree to disagree. But I thought it was worthy to point out Vick's WR's during his first full season:
Brian Finneran 56 - 838
Shawn Jefferson 27 - 394
Trevor Gaylor 25 - 385
Willie Jackson 18 - 199
Quentin McCord 11 - 253
That quite possibly could rank up there with one of the worst WR corps EVER!
I'm not saying VY had a GREAT WR corp, but I'd take Bennett / Givens (injured) Jones and Wade over what Vick had any day. Although I will agree it's pretty weak.
FYI- Young threw more INT's than TD's last year...for as bad as Vick is (and overrated) in a full season, Vick has never done that. That doesn't bode well for Young.
PS- While Young didn't play the entire season, he did play in 15 games. Seriously...15 games.

But how many games did he start. And how many games did he win and it is not that I dont think that Young isnt overrated because right now he is. It is just that Vick is vastly more overrated than Young is. What VIck was expected to do in the pros is extremely higher than what Young was expected to do.