Ted Nugent on Gun Control

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Ok, that made me LOL.

Two questions:

Have you ever worked in detention?

How do you pay for a jail when no one wants to raise taxes to pay for it?

No, I have not...why have you?

Well, there comes a time when you should do it for the sake of the community. It could be "required" if need be.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No, I have not...why have you?

Well, there comes a time when you should do it for the sake of the community. It could be "required" if need be.

I thought you knew about my background. 8 years as Criminal Superior Court Clerk. In my current position (5 years) I do two jobs -Administrative Assistant to the Captain of a Detention Facility and I run background checks/process handgun permit applicants.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

I thought you knew about my background. 8 years as Criminal Superior Court Clerk. In my current position (5 years) I do two jobs -Administrative Assistant to the Captain of a Detention Facility and I run background checks/process handgun permit applicants.

You probably said it, but my memory isn't the greatest.

So why would it be so hard to escort people from an hour away? At least now I can get a good answer as to why rather than speculation.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You probably said it, but my memory isn't the greatest.

So why would it be so hard to escort people from an hour away? At least now I can get a good answer as to why rather than speculation.

It's basically about efficiency. We need to get the inmates in and out of court as fast as possible. I'll give you one example. Let's say the DA starts a trial, but the case breaks down and he decides to start calling jail cases. If those inmates are a considerable distance away it would take too much time to round them up and transport them. Also, some inmates don't like to go quietly so that adds more time. The DA doesn't usually plan ahead for a trial breaking down because that would mean putting too many defense attorney's on stand by. Feeding them would be a nightmare.

Counties typically don't want to spend money on the extra transportation cost and man power it would take to transport the inmates. Attorney's, agency reps, probation officers and visitors don't want to have to go multiple locations to conduct court/jail business. They tend to like one stop shopping.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

It's basically about efficiency. We need to get the inmates in and out of court as fast as possible. I'll give you one example. Let's say the DA starts a trial, but the case breaks down and he decides to start calling jail cases. If those inmates are a considerable distance away it would take too much time to round them up and transport them. Also, some inmates don't like to go quietly so that adds more time. The DA doesn't usually plan ahead for a trial breaking down because that would mean putting too many defense attorney's on stand by. Feeding them would be a nightmare.

Counties typically don't want to spend money on the extra transportation cost and man power it would take to transport the inmates. Attorney's, agency reps, probation officers and visitors don't want to have to go multiple locations to conduct court/jail business. They tend to like one stop shopping.

Wow...I didn't realize all that...thanks for the insight.

So why not move the court room outside of town where the jail is then?

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Wow...I didn't realize all that...thanks for the insight.

So why not move the court room outside of town where the jail is then?

It's not a case of the public not wanting a jail built downtown because of the proximity, they just don't want to pay for it. They think overcrowding is fine. They don't care about inmates. They would rather their taxes be spent on education. But what they don't realize is that it's not all about the inmates. They don't ever consider the conditions the officers have to work in and the danger of the situation when your officer to inmate ratio is 100 to 1. These inmates are on lockdown 21 hours a day. Tensions run high and if you keep piling them on top of each other your going to have a greater risk of rioting, inmate on inmate or inmate on officer assaults. We've actually had two inmates die recently and now the county is facing a huge lawsuit. If they don't do something about it they're gonna be spending a considerable amount of money either way.

I say all of this for one reason. People are very quick to say we need more jails, but they simply don't understand all the factors that go into making that a reality.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

They would rather their taxes be spent on education.

People may say that, but they never vote on initiatives that would benefit education (especially here in CA). Anything related to education that would raise taxes gets shot down pretty quickly. I wish it were different... if we could spend more money on education, i think the trickle-down effect on a bunch of other problems would be positive.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

It's not a case of the public not wanting a jail built downtown because of the proximity, they just don't want to pay for it. They think overcrowding is fine. They don't care about inmates. They would rather their taxes be spent on education. But what they don't realize is that it's not all about the inmates. They don't ever consider the conditions the officers have to work in and the danger of the situation when your officer to inmate ratio is 100 to 1. These inmates are on lockdown 21 hours a day. Tensions run high and if you keep piling them on top of each other your going to have a greater risk of rioting, inmate on inmate or inmate on officer assaults. We've actually had two inmates die recently and now the county is facing a huge lawsuit. If they don't do something about it they're gonna be spending a considerable amount of money either way.

I say all of this for one reason. People are very quick to say we need more jails, but they simply don't understand all the factors that go into making that a reality.

Yes, but it seems the issue is always 1 of 2 things.
1- They don't want a jail around them.
2- They don't want to pay for it.
I think we should pay for it. It's a problem and it needs to be addressed. Of course, I don't think they should have the luxuries of modern day living, they should be fed slop (so to speak), they should have no TV, no weight room, no rights. We coddle inmates, and I think the general public knows it and therefore is unwilling to pay for a state of the art facility.
If the people are too dumb to pay for it, it should happen anyway.

[Lady Brave]

What do you guys think about limiting the number of handguns a person is allowed to own? If we're only talking about protecting one's life and property, do you really need an arsenal of weapons to do that?

I for one do not think handguns should be a "collectible" item. As I said before, if your going to purchase weapons for collecting purposes you should be accountable for the amount of weapons you own (i.e. a collector's license). I know several people I deal with who literally own hundreds of handguns and they are constantly trading/selling their weapons.

Currently, I am required to report to ATF anyone who requests 4 or more handgun permits. In the beginning, I didn't typically report the older retired gentlemen who came in my office who got 10 permits at a time because they were considered collectors. To my surprise an ATF agent told me retirees were the worst offenders for selling weapons to criminal offenders and making straw man purchases. Who knew Gramps wasn't so innocent after all?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

What do you guys think about limiting the number of handguns a person is allowed to own? If we're only talking about protecting one's life and property, do you really need an arsenal of weapons to do that?

I for one do not think handguns should be a "collectible" item. As I said before, if your going to purchase weapons for collecting purposes you should be accountable for the amount of weapons you own (i.e. a collector's license). I know several people I deal with who literally own hundreds of handguns and they are constantly trading/selling their weapons.

Currently, I am required to report to ATF anyone who requests 4 or more handgun permits. In the beginning, I didn't typically report the older retired gentlemen who came in my office who got 10 permits at a time because they were considered collectors. To my surprise an ATF agent told me retirees were the worst offenders for selling weapons to criminal offenders and making straw man purchases. Who knew Gramps wasn't so innocent after all?

Problem is, they are collectables.
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